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Amazon warehouse workers reject union bid in Alabama

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By JOSEPH PISANI, ALEXANDRA OLSON and ANNE D'INNOCENZIO

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Jeff Bezos doesn't want anything to cut into the $321,000,000 that "he" makes per "day"!

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You need labors unions for a couple of reasons. You have a specialized skill that doesn't transfer industries, you are in a group large enough as to make replacement hard, or you're in an industry that is tied very closely to the infrastructure of a society. I'm sorry for Amazon workers, Lyft/Uber drivers, and most 'gig economy' workers but your industry will be forever resilient against unionization as long as capitalist markets are in fashion and you don't meet one of these criteria.

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In the beginning, unions provide a great benefit to the workers. Collective bargaining has more leverage than individuals.

However, over time, union leaders provide a great benefit to themselves and not to the workers. This phenomena is not exclusive to unions. It happens to all organizations, for profit, non-profit, local, state, and federal governments.

Unless union workers pay close attention to their unions, workers will end up paying dues and not getting their money's worth.

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Kind of surprised to see workers who’s working conditions are clearly inferior reject unionization, but it is Bama, so.....

I wouldn’t at all be surprised to hear that Amazon pulled some shady “persuasion” tactics.

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Americans will always vote against their own interest.

The wealth distribution in America is horrible 360:1

The rich run away with all the wealth. The poor are left with nothing. The rich blame Japan and China.

Rich will say to the poor Americans.... ''See those Asian countries??'' It's their fault. It's because of them. It's because of Japan in the 60s,70s,80s. Now it's China turn to be blamed for economic problems in USA.

The typical American narrative. Blame others. Even though their economy it's 5x that of Japan. Americans even if their economy was 100x that of Japan all the wealth will go to Top 5% or top %1.

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It is too bad. I think in this case the Amazon workers had a valid case and the issue is more related to working conditions and the ability of Amazon to dismiss workers when they receive injuries which may have occurred on the job. One of my friend's sons works in a fullfillment center and it sounds like hell on earth to me.

Bezos is already the richest person in history so one must ask how much more does he need.

@Clayton - I think it is important not to put all unions into a large basket. They are not all the same. I was in a union long ago - International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW). I was in this union prior to and during my university years. The IBEW not only negotiated wages but provided benefits and free training to all dues paying members. At that time I learned to program a PLC which was new technology (yes I am old) and several other things. The union was smart enough to also not alienate contractors or other employers while maintaining a hard stance on important issues. I believe our union dues were very well spent and well managed.

Yes there are bad and corrupt unions and I think this needs to be examined on a case by case basis but I think it would have benefited the Amazon workers to unionize.

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In the beginning, unions provide a great benefit to the workers. Collective bargaining has more leverage than individuals.

However, over time, union leaders provide a great benefit to themselves and not to the workers. This phenomena is not exclusive to unions. It happens to all organizations, for profit, non-profit, local, state, and federal governments.

Unless union workers pay close attention to their unions, workers will end up paying dues and not getting their money's worth.

Fair enough, but the facts are clear with current capitalism, the vast profits are sucked upwards to top management, workers down at the bottom have had wages stagnate now for a good 3-4decades & counting. Upper management is not so slowly DESTROYING the middle classes all around the world, they are literally killing their Golden Goose, their markets!

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Well then enjoy wearing nappies because you can’t take a toilet break . Land of the free ? More like the land of $7 p/h slave labour....

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In the US employers have incredible power and leverage to fire at will with no notice or severance. I can hardly believe this situation persists.

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27 “right-to-work" states where workers don’t have to pay dues to unions that represent them.

This is incredible to me.

Imagine the reverse, where you are coerced to pay people for something you may not want.

Any such agreements should be voluntary, always.

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wages stagnate now for a good 3-4decades

Wages rose in the US in recent years, with unemployment hitting lows.

Something right must have been happening no?

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fxgal, by stagnate, it is meant that wages have not kept up with inflation. For 40-50 years now.

Yes wages in the U.S. rose, but they were frozen for years from the 2009 Great Recession and were only catching up to that period. They were still behind before then and are still behind now.

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Unions aren't perfect, but as the saying goes, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Union leaders are indeed capable of graft and mismanagement, but, on balance, workers protected by a union are better off than those who are not.

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1glenn, that’s fine if you believe that. But people who don’t believe it should not be forced into such agreements against their will.

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They saw sense. Unions destroy more jobs and just make everyone poorer.

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They saw sense. Unions destroy more jobs and just make everyone poorer.

How do they do it, care to elaborate ?

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Turkeys voting for Christmas!

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Lemme get this straight, some believe that people should be coerced into paying union dues against their free will?

Looks like the people heard the arguments and voted against such coercion. I’m not surprised!

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