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2 Americans accused in Ghosn escape to go on trial June 14

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By YURI KAGEYAMA

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The Taylors have been denied bail at the Tokyo Detention Center and not available for comment.

They should apply again.

4 ( +12 / -8 )

This gives a different turn to “Pop Goes the Weasel”...

“ accused of hiding Ghosn in ‘a music box’ so he could flee ” -

IF Customs had only ‘turned the crank’ a few times before putting it on the plane.

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

"The Taylor's were not available for comment." Wonder what they could possibly be up to which would make them unavailable? They were denied bail, so they should have all the time in the world right? Could it be 18 hours a day of questioning without an attorney present? Wonder if they have been physically assaulted by police/interrogators and perhaps were not presentable enough or coherent enough to speak to the media?

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The Taylors have been denied bail...

I wonder why ;-)

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Why is there a picture of Mr.Ghosn with this story? It is Peter and Michael Taylor on trail, not Carlos Ghosn.

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Japanese executives typically don’t get the big paychecks and stock options some of their American counterparts receive.

Oh, so this situation is more about jelousy, than breaking any laws. There is no law that states you must "state compensation before it is paid". Why you would report compensation PRIOR to issuing the compensation is beyond me. There are other things to worry about right now than how much someone might have been paid.

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Kelly got 130days in detention and more than 2 years of trial. You're paying a huge price before when getting convicted.

The Taylors will get even a more unfair trial, will take even longer.

Where is the right to have a quick and fair trial?

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Wow, some comments here make it sound like it would be better to be in a North Korean jail than one in Japan. You would think that the US allowing the Taylors to be sent to Japan would be worse than being sent to NK and that being sent to NK would be a stay at a Disney resort compared to the torture the Japanese authorities put you through. If the Japanese system is worse than the North Korean one then why does the US comply?

-11 ( +5 / -16 )

They’re going to take their sweet old time carrying out these trials. It’s the passive aggressive approach.

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If the Japanese system is worse than the North Korean one then why does the US comply?

Bloomberg said that America will get a juice contract of missiles with Japan after this move.

America, and the rest of the world, already know about the Hostage Justice System. Extradition of the Taylors is highly regrettable.

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IF Customs had only ‘turned the crank’ a few times before putting it on the plane.

Well, that would certainly have made Ghosn sing a tune!

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"The Taylors have been denied bail at the Tokyo Detention Center and not available for comment."

Do you think it would be wise for the Japanese to allow two men -who helped Ghosn jump bail- to be out on bail?

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"I wonder why ;-)"

Maybe because they have already admitted that they arranged for Ghosn to jump bail, clearly showing that they have no respect for the bail system. In other words, if they helped one man jump bail why would they not jump bail themselves?

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The Taylor’s weren’t very smart going about this. If they were smart enough to aid and abet Ghosn in skipping bail, which is technically “not a crime in Japan”, why would they be stupid enough to return to the US? Would have been a safer option to go to a third country with no extradition treaty with Japan.

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Still, if I had to do 3 years in prison, I’d rather do it in Japan than the US.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Did the Taylors get paid what was promised? And yes I would rather serve time in a Japan prison than US one and the sentence is a lot shorter. In the US you can get 10 years for sneaking in a cell phone in a US prison. Look up the story. It's true.

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Hostage Justice System

The US is doing Kidnap Justice System sometimes. The case is man's wife was killed at back alley in Los Angeles. He became a prime suspect at that time. He was extradited to Japan for trial in Japan. All investigation documents were given to j prosecutors. He was acquitted finally because there were not enough evidences to convict him. Years later the man was kidnapped to the US when he went to Guam on vacation. The US intended to put him in US court again for conviction. According to international courtesy, court can't judge him on same case twice. He died in prison before start of trial.

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Might as well hand down the guilty verdict now, there is face to save here.

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Jumping bail in Japan is NOT a crime! so why are these 2 gentleman are being prosecuted?

Isn't about saving face? since the the prisoner escaped due to poor judgement or poor security.

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Where's Ghosn in all this? He's been mouthing off but now very quiet.

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Good, criminals deserve jail !!..

Sorry Ghosnbelievers, sooner or later, justice will be served..

LOL !!..

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

Go to jail.

Go directly to jail.

Do not pass GO.

Do not collect $200.

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Taylor, is simply a mercenary framed with the 'romantic' notion of being ' a soldier of fortune'.

The Taylors, engage in a criminal activity and are awarded the status of being oddly heroic.

Taylor is a glorified rent-a-cop. As with many in the military having no other skills than fratricide, Taylor formed a mercenary enterprise, that includes such as 'retail security', elevator operators, doormen and goons dressed in black armed with automatic weapons fit for a battlefield but hardly within the confines of suburban America.

This is a man who was convicted of fraud and money-laundering. Heaven knows what mayhem he has been involved in as a business enterprise. He deserves some time in the hoosegow.

Landing in a Japanese prison is an easier gig than an American institution of detention. American prisons are barbaric and dangerous and truly punishing.

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The US is doing Kidnap Justice System sometimes. The case is man's wife was killed at back alley in Los Angeles. He became a prime suspect at that time. He was extradited to Japan for trial in Japan. All investigation documents were given to j prosecutors. He was acquitted finally because there were not enough evidences to convict him. Years later the man was kidnapped to the US when he went to Guam on vacation. The US intended to put him in US court again for conviction. According to international courtesy, court can't judge him on same case twice. He died in prison before start of trial.

Everyone knows the case of Kazuyoshi Miura, the murderer, not to be confused with "King Kazu" the soccer player of the same name. In fact, Ghosn hired the lawyer that got Miura acquitted despite almost everyone knowing he was guilty. Miura was arrogant enough to visit Guam, a US territory, and eventually got what he deserved. Not really though, since he took the easy way out by killing himself.

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He's been mouthing off but now very quiet.

probably too busy sipping wine eating cheese at his luxury villa in Lebanon. knowing he outsmarted J justice and that he out of reach to them

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Sorry Ghosnbelievers, sooner or later, justice will be served..

LOL !!..

last I checked Ghosn was enjoying his retirement in Lebanon out of reach of J justice and outsmarting them in the process, must hurt having been humiliated by the smart gaijin and not being able to do anything about it. lol

3 ( +6 / -3 )

jumping bail is technically not a crime in Japan.

That's the one and only thing you must keep in mind.

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That is light speed for Japan!

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It seems to me 2 Americans would not go to jail for months after convicted. If they confessed everything about the escape plan and paid fine to j court, they would go home soon. 2 Americans are nothing for Japan but Ghosn is really a target. They already had a penalty that they can't make business for a while. Their faces are very famous these days.

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Mark:

Jumping bail in Japan is NOT a crime! so why are these 2 gentleman are being prosecuted?

I'm amazed - did you even read the part where they placed Gosn in a music box and transported him that way outside of Japan? If you did, do you REALLY think that would not be illegal? It is punishable with up to three years in prison - it states that much in the article.

Gosn jumping bail has nothing to do with the two "gentlemen".

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Jumping bail in Japan is NOT a crime! so why are these 2 gentleman are being prosecuted?

I'd like to try the same experiment of stuffing a person in a box and flying him/her to another country to see what happens. Is that perfectly legal? If so as the above quote suggests then it sounds like a new and legitimate way to fly according to people who think these guys are not criminals - like the one who wrote the above quote.

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Tokyo prosecutors have said they are accused of helping a criminal escape and violating immigration regulations. They face up to three years in prison if convicted.

This is an interesting case and I am sure Japanese law students will be studying it for generations to come. Certainly more interesting than the common crime of stabbing mother to death and forgetting it because I was drunk and unemployed defense.

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They may have arranged for a flight and transfer in Turkey and even the transportation of goods, but what evidence is there that Goshin was on those aeroplanes and even the box that people are talking about? The plane's everyone is talking about could have been a red herring to conceal his real method of travel. He may have had a false passport and disguise which would be illegal and sanctionable in law and may have seen him sent back to the point of origin, Japan, which would be disastrous for a fleeing fugitive from Japanese justice. All of the shenanigans aside, I think that the whole exercise has more to do with a Japanese corporate entity using the support of its government in trying to gouge a European invester out of the rights of control over a business that they have salvaged from extinction and made good. It's just race based territorial parochialism for gain.

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"The Taylors have been denied bail at the Tokyo Detention Center and not available for comment."

Do you think it would be wise for the Japanese to allow two men -who helped Ghosn jump bail- to be out on bail?

Under Japans CCP (Criminal Code of Practice) everybody indicted has the right to apply for bail. (Unlimited applicarions). Incidently, the fact that they were denied bail at the Detention Center would suggest that it is the prosecutor denying them (police) bail. Bail hearings in Japan are heard by (so,-called) judges through their lawyers, although the defendants are not present.

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Tokyo prosecutors have said they are accused of helping a criminal escape and violating immigration regulations. They face up to three years in prison if convicted.

Should this not read :

Tokyo prosecutors have said they are indicted for allegedly helping an alleged criminal escape and violating immigration regulations. They face up to three years in prison if convicted if found guilty.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

that's right...

I would add:

not doing the necessary immigration paperwork is the only a fault, not a crime.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

The world human rights bodies will be watching.

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All of the shenanigans aside, I think that the whole exercise has more to do with a Japanese corporate entity using the support of its government in trying to gouge a European invester out of the rights of control over a business that they have salvaged from extinction and made good. It's just race based territorial parochialism for gain.

FOXCONN owns most of SHARP. Have any Taiwanese executives been arrested lately? But nice conspiracy story.

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FOXCONN owns most of SHARP. Have any Taiwanese executives been arrested lately? But nice conspiracy story.

Sharp has 3 times less employees than Nissan, 4 351 times less revenue than Nissan.

You think the risk is worth for small fishes ?

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Sharp has 3 times less employees than Nissan, 4 351 times less revenue than Nissan.

Then at what threshold would the Japanese police start arresting the Taiwanese executives of SHARP/FOXCONN? For example as "3 times less" approaches "X times less" at what point (X=?) would they need to escape Japan or be arrested on the point above? What if it was 1.5 times less? Would the Taiwanese executives need to start worrying about being arrested at 1.5? 1.2? What is the number?

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The world human rights bodies will be watching.

They are watching, that's for sure.

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kyushubillApr. 29  10:07 am JST

Might as well hand down the guilty verdict now, there is face to save here.

Of course it's going to be a guilty verdict. They've already admitted to smuggling Ghosn out of Japan. Since they claim that bail jumping isn't a crime in Japan, if true, then all they'll get hit for are immigration violations. A slap on the wrist making the money wasted on fighting extradition pointless. No face to save here.

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During Kelly's trial, Nissan officials have said they went to the prosecutors to get Ghosn arrested because they were worried Nissan's French alliance partner Renault would gain more power and effectively swallow up the Japanese automaker. 

The real reason Ghosn was arrested. It had nothing to do with his compensation and everything to do with Japan being xenophobic.

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