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Ghosn's accused escape plotters ask U.S. Supreme Court to delay extradition to Japan

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I can't believe these clowns are "security specialists" having been caught so quickly and easily. Did they really think they could get away with such a high-profile incident that left a massive paper trail? $1.3 mil. among at least 2 people is laughable for having your lives ruined.

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If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. It should be relatively straightforward and easy for them to prove if they are innocent. If they are guilty they should face the consequences in Japan.

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By the time their legal battles are over, there won’t be much left of that $1.3 million.

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US Defence Lawyers trained to recognise Common Law Systems ONLY (apparently), trying to impose their rules on someone else's country with a totally different set of Legal Systems.

Jeeezzz!

Someone MUST tell them that a Civil System of Law is Inquisitive and NOT Adversarial (as in Common Law)!!!

Judges, Prosecutors and the Defence are not antagonists, just like under the Common Law.

Despite the assumption that the code regulates all cases that could occur in practice, that's simply not possible. Thus, whenever certain cases are not regulated by the Code, the courts shall/should apply some of the general principles used to fill any gaps. This how Civilian Systems operate.

In France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico, everywhere other than Common Law countries (in the minority anyway).

Oh, and Japan too.

Getting away on a non-existent loophole in Civil Systems of Law is akin to finding a loophole amongst your brain cells.

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Get over it, Japan justice awaits, losers..

Waaahahahahahahaaaa!!!...

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Not problem, Japan will keep your cell warm for them.

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the courts shall/should apply some of the general principles used to fill any gaps

that's authoritarian and inquisitive.

countries create a set of rules to follow. that rules must be decided by all comunity, by it's representatives.

it's fine to evolve, and change the laws with the change of times.

the "this is Japan" style of follow some of the rules and interpret some others to fit their best interest is not rightful.

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Get over it, Japan justice awaits, losers..

With al of its flaws the make it something other than a system for justice.

Waaahahahahahahaaaa!!!...

Cut the drama.

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prospect of relentless interrogations and torture.

They knew the risks.

if they did such a high profile crime in NK or DRC, they would probably die in prison.

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if they did such a high profile crime in NK or DRC, they would probably die in prison.

i love that you finally put Japan where it belongs, right next to NK and DRC.

i got the same question. why would angry country extradite its citizens to Japan?

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Being that there is no Constitutional issue involved it's a good bet that the SCOTUS will not hear their motion. These clowns should be saving their money for their inevitable court defense in Japan.

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Not problem, Japan will keep your cell warm for them.

From what I hear, the only time the cells are warm is in summer.

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i find this situation very unfair.

1)to extradite a citizen they have to commit a crime that is considered a crime in both countries, ...and no! avoid filling up immigration papers is not a crime. its just a immigration fault.

2)japan has never honored the extradition agreement with the U.S.

3)all kind of entities, corporations, press... you name it: they all agree that Japan does not comply with the minimum requirements of human rights.

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If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. It should be relatively straightforward and easy for them to prove if they are innocent. If they are guilty they should face the consequences in Japan.

Only in Japan should you "prove your innocence".

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Being that there is no Constitutional issue involved it's a good bet that the SCOTUS will not hear their motion. These clowns should be saving their money for their inevitable court defense in Japan.

Their supposed "crime" isn't even punishable by jail time. The prosecutors will just use them as a proxy "win" against Ghosn. Pathetic.

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Their supposed "crime" isn't even punishable by jail time. The prosecutors will just use them as a proxy "win" against Ghosn. Pathetic.

I think that it is about blood MONEY. Japan will keep the Taylors as hostages, unless they pay an embellished fine. Believe it or not, Japanese can be bought with blood money. The whole saga with Ghosn's arrest was a classic Japanese scam to get some easy money. In Japan such a scam seems to be legal. Very cheap and very nasty little legal system, controlled by very cheap and very nasty little prosecutors, whose poodles (judges) are too scared to go against.

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"that's authoritarian and inquisitive."

Well, that's your opinion.

However, this a FACT.

Not open for debate.

Civil Systems are Inquisitorial (I made a spelling mistake in my previous post, sorry), not Inquisitive. The Inquisition ended in the thirteenth century.

Unless you are adamant Common Law Rules are and should be supreme (wouldn't surprise me though).

I am the product of UK Common Law and beg to disagree.

Common-Law is good at letting murderers escape justice on a simple loophole.

Not in Civil Systems though. as any such loophole will be reinterpreted to fill in the perceived absence of a rule dealing with the issue directly.

JT's biggest "problem" is far too many people commenting on matters they have no legal background and understanding of. Simple as that.

Reading wiki is not sufficient.

You go and tell the French theirs is an authoritarian Legal System.

Better still commit a Crime in Paris then demand to be tried under Common Law precepts.

Sit in a French cell and rejoice.

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@Peeping_Tom

I don't know where is your obsession with Common Law coming from, but give us a break.

It has nothing to do with the current topic.

Just wanna reiterate that laws cannot be arbitrary, like you are suggesting.

We create laws and rulings to create a country. And people do not want them to change arbitrarily.

It takes lots of people and time to change a law to avoid any arbitrarily or "free interpretation" of laws.

I'm abusing the word arbitrarily so you can understand how demolishing is that the U.N. called the "this is Japan" justice system arbitrary.

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"I don't know where is your obsession with Common Law coming from,

I don't know where is your obsession with Common Law coming from, but give us a break"

@bokuda

My obsession:

LLB from UCL- London, (2:1)

LPC College of Law - Store Street London (Distinction)

Currently in practice.

Hope that is enough for you.

This has got everything to do with attempts to impose Common Law Rules on a Civil System country!.

Maybe you don't know it?

"but give us a break."

You first, Sir.

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@Peeping_Tom

This goes far and beyond the Common Law vs. Civil Law.

On the "this is Japan" Justice System the prosecutors decide the laws at free will, they can detain any citizen indefinitely for torturing, they need nothing but a forced confession to throw anyone on jail.

This situation is inconceivable on any 1st world country.

Can we agree that Japan have no grounds to discuss Common Law vs. Civil Law?

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Unfortunately, no.

The defence is attempting to do just that.

However, the US Supreme is not buying into it.

Sorry if I don't answer straight away.

I am on my way to the office.

Keep safe.

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People seriously still think ghosn is innocent lol.

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@Peeping_Tom

Men, you gotta let it in.

Japan doesn't have a Justice System.

89% of sentences are based on confessions.

we got the word INQUISITION before.

Civil Systems are Inquisitorial (I made a spelling mistake in my previous post, sorry), not Inquisitive. The Inquisition ended in the thirteenth century.

Don't think that the Spanish Inquisition had that 89% of confessions that Japanese prosecution have.

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avoid filling up immigration papers is not a crime. its just a immigration fault.

Lousy service. They were paid $1.3million and they didnt even filed the paperwork?

Anyway, if this is what theyre charged with i agree they shouldnt be extradited.

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If the Taylors are extradited to Japan (and I sincerely hope not), then they will have to apprar before a judge (prosecutors poodle) within 72 hours. I would be very interested to see what evidence of a crime is put before this little poodle before he/she automatically grants a 10 day holding extension.

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I doubt the US Supreme Court will stop the extradition.

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People seriously still think ghosn is innocent lol.

Yup, I swear that people are so gullible when they believe whatever BS that Ghosn sells after the way he got away and even after when there are 2 governements (Japan, France) wanting a piece of him. The man is the kind of crooky CEO that should not be whining like a princess for this or that when living in luxury on the back of people.

As far as this case is concerned, Ghosn is still under Interpol's list of red notices, which require law enforcement worldwide to locate and provisionally arrest a person pending extradition, surrender, or similar legal action. Short of being on the FBI's Most Wanted list, it's about the worst place one can be as a fugitive.

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I swear that people are so gullible when they believe whatever BS that Ghosn sells after the way he got away and even after when there are 2 governements (Japan, France) wanting a piece of him.

It's not more gullible than thinking he is guilty. Anyone who thinks they know one way or the other based on reading some news articles, is frankly not a very intelligent person. Anyone with intelligence knows that any information you read through the media is filtered through the interests of those who write it, as well as limited to whatever information they are provided, not under oath, by people who may be withholding info.

All we can say for sure is that he's got an arrest warrant out for him. Only the low-intelligence folk figure they have enough information to determine whether he's innocent or guilty.

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I hope they like sleeping on tatami.

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@bokudaFeb. 13 08:37 pm JST

89% of sentences are based on confessions.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/#:~:text=Nearly%2080%2C000%20people%20were%20defendants,collected%20by%20the%20federal%20judiciary.

Nearly 80,000 people were defendants in federal criminal cases in fiscal 2018, but just 2% of them went to trial. The overwhelming majority (90%) pleaded guilty instead, while the remaining 8% had their cases dismissed, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data collected by the federal judiciary.

http://justicedenied.org/issue/issue_67/federal_courts_jd67.pdf

Between guilty pleas and trials, the conviction rate was 99.8% in U.S. federal courts in 2015.

Just thought we needed some perspective here.

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