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Vaccinating children: Is COVID-19 herd immunity possible without them?

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By Rodney E Rohde

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Fortunately the people in charge of testing and using the vaccines have the consideration necessary to include everybody as worth saving, and the intelligence to properly interpret the evidence to know everybody that can be vaccinated should be in order to protect the whole community.

You speak so well for 'pharma'. The people in charge have that much consideration that there is no need for long term studies? Zero studies on children or pregnant women. You with that pharma based 'science' background pushing their agenda replying to every comment that isn't in line with it. You make pharma proud.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/23/covid-vaccine-children.aspx

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If suppose the vaccines were effective, it wouldn't take much science to figure out that the young are the only ones it should be vaccinated. If a young person where to get sick they'd have to live with the damages for a long time,where as, an old person would die soon and not have to suffer or be a burden on the state for long. Duh

Fortunately the people in charge of testing and using the vaccines have the consideration necessary to include everybody as worth saving, and the intelligence to properly interpret the evidence to know everybody that can be vaccinated should be in order to protect the whole community.

It would have been a tragedy if they lacked both things and were to think something as mistaken as your suggestion as valid.

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If suppose the vaccines were effective, it wouldn't take much science to figure out that the young are the only ones it should be vaccinated. If a young person where to get sick they'd have to live with the damages for a long time,where as, an old person would die soon and not have to suffer or be a burden on the state for long. Duh

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The only reason I ever bothered to post is that I discovered last year virusrex is on all day long to monitor covid related articles and 'correct' any dissenting narrative from what corrupt Pharma puts out. Posting time and frequency is incredible. Great hire by pharma!

People that are only interested in money tend to think everybody is the same, and when they fail to defend their mistaken arguments (since there is no defense for them) they mistakenly think that attacking the people proving them wrong magically would make those arguments disappear, this is not the case. They are still completely repeating things that can easily be proven false.

The strawman arguments are another big hint of people that are unable to defend their arguments, instead of discussing the opposite arguments that proved them wrong (such as the vaccines being safer than the infection) they pull out false arguments from the air and "disprove" them, even when nobody ever used them (such as the vaccines having no adverse effects). This kind of people think that disobeying the rules and repeating lies and attacks is justified as long as they can push their mistaken beliefs into other people with the purpose of deceiving them.

But of course what they can never do is to include the information necessary to properly judge the incidence of problems in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, because that would prove them wrong.

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RawBeer,

The only reason I ever bothered to post is that I discovered last year virusrex is on all day long to monitor covid related articles and 'correct' any dissenting narrative from what corrupt Pharma puts out. Posting time and frequency is incredible. Great hire by pharma!

Maybe I should just jump on to help Vman to herd the crowd towards an injection. Vaccines are 200% safe. Absolutely no complications or adverse events. You don't need an epipen nearby just in case you have an adverse reaction. If anything happens it is definitely NOT the vaccine. Frail seniors with weak immune systems will be perfectly fine even with the 2nd or 3rd injection.

We havent tested on children but these untested vaxxes are so safe any negative adverse reactions tell you it's working and not an allergic reaction and no risk of long term health effects.

We have no studies on pregnant women but any miscarriages that happened after vax have no connection to the injection even if they administered it 24-48 hours before the miscarriage happened.

And dont bother filing any lawsuits for any supposed reactions. Vax companies are free of liabilty and have been since 1987.

www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

No 5 year long term studies? It's scientifically acceptable to take chances without clarity. After all it's your life.

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The Covid-19 vaccines were made under emergency conditions. Normally it would take at least several years to get a vaccine ready for release, and by that time many of the questions that we now have would have already been answered. So, it is understandable that scientists didn't immediately test the vaccines on younger people, given that we already knew that those most likely to die from the disease are the oldest among us. With the passage of more time, we will have the results of tests on younger people and the pregnant.

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How many deaths have there been PROVEN by a credible healthcare professionals directly attributed to a Covid Vaccine, Also, how many within two hours? You have ZERO credible proof.

Dying within 2 hours? None that I know of. Where did you get that from?

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So - the 'downvoters' on this thread can't comment as they have NO proof whatsoever apart from a loony website. I see.

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Virusrex clearly over many months of reading his posts knows exactly what he is talking about. It is very educational.

Raw Beer..Really? Where do you get this rubbish from?

How many deaths have there been PROVEN by a credible healthcare professionals directly attributed to a Covid Vaccine, Also, how many within two hours? You have ZERO credible proof.

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 I am quite amazed at the double standard: anyone who tests PCR positive at time of death is considered a Covid death, regardless of the comorbidities. But a healthy person feeling sick within minutes of vaccination and dying within the next 2 days, it was definitely not caused by the vaccine.

That is because you keep ignoring the standard to make this false point.

Are people who are infected with COVID more likely to die than those that are not? then COVID is a perfectly valid cause of death.

Are people vaccinated more likely to die or have the others reported serious negative effects than a non-vaccinated people? Only then the vaccine could be considered a valid cause of that.

It is trivially easy to prove COVID infection increases very importantly the risks of death, specially on vulnerable population. At this point is completely impossible to find information that even indicates the vaccination increase the risk of dying at any age of people for which is indicated. This is so true that antivaxxers try to deceive other people by not including this very necessary information and pretending only vaccinated people get sick and die while everybody else magically stops getting any problem.

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Neowave

That sums up their comments very well. I am quite amazed at the double standard: anyone who tests PCR positive at time of death is considered a Covid death, regardless of the comorbidities. But a healthy person feeling sick within minutes of vaccination and dying within the next 2 days, it was definitely not caused by the vaccine.

Great post, Rex. It's inconceivable that intelligent people would downvote it, but here we are.

Oh, intelligent people know very well why the downvotes are well deserved.

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The nonsense "economy heavy social distancing measures" should have been dropped very early on in the pandemic as soon as we learned who the vulnerable were.

The scientific community has the opposite opinion, and they are much more trustworthy. Until now there is no other way to efficiently protect the vulnerable population from a disease easily transmitted by asymptomatic carriers but to reduce the presence of the infection in the population in general.

You talk just like a pharma rep. Vaccines are undeniably "safe and effective"

A very easy way to identify someone that has no argument is that immediately gives up trying to discuss the arguments and instead begins to attack the person, as if that would in any way make the arguments less true, it does not.

Can we report to VAERS? (vaccine adverse event reporting system w/FDA & CDC) - No need to.. You're adverse event 24 hours after vaccination HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES.

Since you keep making a huge mistake when using VAERS I can correct you as many times as is necessary, VAERS has no meaning by itself and can only be used for comparison with the non-vaccinated population. Since that population have approximately the same number of serious problems as the VAERS it can be demonstrated that the vaccines are safe.

That is why people that know this fact keep putting only half of the information, to mislead others into thinking something that is not real. People that are interested in the truth present both halves of the information and the proper analysis to demonstrate if any difference can be found, or as in this case that no difference can.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to inject children with experimental mRNA technology because we don't know the long-term consequences - e.g. Pfizer still hasn't finished phase 3 trials

That is false, phase III trials are already finished, reported and published. If the company chooses to keep the participants under vigilance that is their right, but that does not mean the phase III requires this information. Anybody knowing what are clinical trials would also know this.

mRNA technology has been used in humans for many years already, we already know it and there has been no specific side effects reported on the volunteers. In comparison it has a huge advantage in safety over the natural infection since COVID has been with us only a year, and that has been enough to prove it casues long term or even permanent problems in some of the infected people, something that has not happened with the vaccine in particular nor the mRNA technology in general.

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Oops sorry forgot the link https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/the_facts_about_pfizer_and_biontech_s_covid_19_vaccine

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I'm not sure it's a good idea to inject children with experimental mRNA technology because we don't know the long-term consequences - e.g. Pfizer still hasn't finished phase 3 trials

We will track participants in our phase 3 clinical trial for the next two years following their second dose, in order to document the long-term effectiveness and safety of the vaccine.

Just vaccinate the vulnerable people who want it and leave the kids alone. I wouldn't give it to my kids if I had them and I damn well wouldn't let anyone else force it on them either

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You talk just like a pharma rep. 

You talk just like all your medical knowledge comes from Facebook.

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It would appear you have not read the article at all, the main point is to stop the spreading of the disease with enough people being immune to it, so the whole community is protected including the people that are not vaccinated for whatever reasons. Unless this point is reached the only other alternative is to continue with economy heavy social distancing measures in order to protect these people.

For some people it is unimaginable that you could do something to protect anybody else, but for most people its as natural as having good manners, especially with safe and effective vaccines available.

Great post, Rex.

It's inconceivable that intelligent people would downvote it, but here we are.

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For some people it is unimaginable that you could do something to protect anybody else, but for most people its as natural as having good manners, especially with safe and effective vaccines available.

You talk just like a pharma rep. Vaccines are undeniably "safe and effective"

Headaches? Oh um...Great! the vaccine is "working"

Fever? Great! Vaccine is "working"

Brain swelling? um....Vaccine is "working"

Encephalitis (spinal cord / brain swelling)? Vaccine is "working"

Belles Palsy (side of the face paralyzed)? Definitely not the vaccine...no connection. It's just YOU

Still got infected? Um...there is a delay in antibodies...wait a little longer

Still infecting others? Um...you forgot to wear a mask, social distance and wait a little longer for

Permanent disability? Um nothing to do with vaccines...find another doctor

Death? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES

Can we report to VAERS? (vaccine adverse event reporting system w/FDA & CDC) - No need to.. You're adverse event 24 hours after vaccination HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES.

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19

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Unless this point is reached the only other alternative is to continue with economy heavy social distancing measures in order to protect these people.

The nonsense "economy heavy social distancing measures" should have been dropped very early on in the pandemic as soon as we learned who the vulnerable were. The best solution would have been to protect the vulnerable and let everyone else to go about as they wish. It seems these nonsensical measures were put in place specifically to inconvenience us and to get everyone to beg for the control measures and vaccines.

The spread will end even without vaccines. The young and healthy do not need them; vaccinating them will do little or nothing to reduce the spread.

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If the vaccines do work then the only people that need them are the frail and elderly.

Why are the experts worried about vaccinated people getting sick?

It would appear you have not read the article at all, the main point is to stop the spreading of the disease with enough people being immune to it, so the whole community is protected including the people that are not vaccinated for whatever reasons. Unless this point is reached the only other alternative is to continue with economy heavy social distancing measures in order to protect these people.

For some people it is unimaginable that you could do something to protect anybody else, but for most people its as natural as having good manners, especially with safe and effective vaccines available.

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If the vaccines do work then the only people that need them are the frail and elderly.

Why are the experts worried about vaccinated people getting sick?

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