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I remain undecided. There may be the risk of forgery.

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I remain undecided. There may be the risk of forgery.

So can normal passports. Do you not travel?

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definitely NO.

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Yes!

I would feel much safer if I know that everyone on my flight is vaccined!

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No. It is discriminatory in my opinion.

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Yes. At first I was a no, but really, it is a new layer to a passport which (depending on where you were born) gives different people different rights anyway. I know there will be a lot of opposition to them, I just think they are needed in the short to medium term to get things back to some kind of normality.

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I don't have any problem with people who don't want the passports not getting them.

It means we won't have to be wit those people on the planes.

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Many countries already require visas to enter their countries; this is similar. Also, many countries require or strong urge visitors to get various vaccinations before entering their countries. This coronavirus vaccine passport is similar but more widespread.

If this vaccine visa is one more requirement for me to travel I don’t see a problem. I also expect to see enterprising forgers make a lot of money off of gullible anti-vaxxers.

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SandyBeachHeaven Today  09:01 am JST

No. It is discriminatory in my opinion.

SandyBeachHeaven Feb. 21  06:50 pm JST

Posted in: Kono warns of slower pace of COVID vaccine shots for elderly after supply delay  See in context

I am searching online for a vaccine passports, so I can travel all over Asia once again.

So, today you’re against the passports because they’re discriminatory, but one week ago you were furiously searching for such a passport so you can travel again.

What is it to be?

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The logic should be the other way round

If you're scared of traveling because of something that's innocuous to 99.9+% of people mabye you shouldn't be flying anyway, how you even get by in life terrified of the very air you breathe eludes me

If you want a vaccine, have it and be done

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Private companies should be left to make their own decisions here.

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Not enthusiastically jumping for it but just another step to take to ensure safe(r) travel.

At least it will save you from having to sit next to an anti-vacer and listen to their nonsense. :)

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And next you probably want the non-vaccinated squeeze into closed camps? Some decades ago, they also hadn’t the right passports and their traveling through life was suddenly ended.

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No

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Yes, if you want to travel , you need to be responsible.

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At least it will save you from having to sit next to an anti-vacer and listen to their nonsense. :)

Nice one. Very good point. We can sit on our chemtrail-releasing planes in peace ;)

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It won't work and it won't happen. It's just a little topic for time pass laugh.

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Before I answer the question, I need an answer to this question.

Will vaccine providers be legally liable for death or injury from (especially coercively administered) vaccines?

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Most definitely there should be vaccination certificates, but controlled by the government not by the airlines.

Also, anyone caught attempting to fraud the system should have their passport or visa revoked.

You can';t force anyone to take the vaccines, but people taking them are doing it for everyone else.

Society owes nothing to the cowards who fear a simple jab.

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No. They exclude those who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons or do not have the technology.

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I'll answer that when or if Japan offers me the vaccination.

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Will vaccine providers be legally liable for death or injury from (especially coercively administered) vaccines?

No. I think you should definitely not get the vaccine, and therefore not get the passport, and not travel anymore. It's the only way to keep (the rest of us) safe (from you).

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There has been alot of talk about discrimination with regards to this subject, but passports are in of themselves VERY discriminatory. I hold 2 passports: a British passport and a Syrian one. I can tell you that depending on which passport I use, I can either travel freely or be left in limbo such as MANY of my paternal relatives have. We constantly discriminate against people based on the passports they present- sometimes without good reason. In this case, there is good reason: our health and our lives. So I do support a vaccination passport

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So a stamp can be made in our passports showing we were vaccinated. But if no,t should not prevent travel provided a test is taken and negative.

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Its going to be do hard to implement a document or an app that is forgery proof and recognised worldwide and even if the airlines try to impose 'no vaccine. no fly' rules I think we would see this challenged legally.

Certain countries may decide that someone who has been vaccinated with the Sputnik Vaccine / Sinovax or AstraZeneca may NOT be recognised as having actually been vaccinated for purely political reasons.

My guess is, IF some sort of document does become recognised, then it will be that OR pre departure and post arrival testing for the foreseeable future.

And yes, there are many who will not be vaccinated (idiot anti-vaxxers), but also those you can't for medical reasons or those under 16, which we must remember that none of these vaccinations have been approved for, so @strangerland, whereas I agree that all those that can have a shot, should have, it is in fact discriminatory to stop ALL those flying that have not been vaccinated.

Juts for the record, I will be having the vaccine as and when it is offered to me.

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If it needs to be, so be it. I'd rather travel safe.

And next you probably want the non-vaccinated squeeze into closed camps? Some decades ago, they also hadn’t the right passports and their traveling through life was suddenly ended.

This is incredibly offensive and has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

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Stamp in a passport will prevent fraud.

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Stamped by whom? Government? Health Authority? Recognised Worldwide? Change pf Passport? Loss of Passport? Way to many variables.

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Stamped on the passport by issuing authority. Lose your passport quick but not impossible to travel. Only recognised by those countries which make agreement. Which is why I said people can still travel with proof of test.

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No. I think you should definitely not get the vaccine, and therefore not get the passport, and not travel anymore. It's the only way to keep (the rest of us) safe (from you).

That would be a denial of our human rights on two fronts:

Denial of participation in normal civic activities (air flight)

Coercive administration of potentially dangerous medical procedure

If you are afraid of a virus then maybe you are the one who should not travel. Don't deny our right because of your fear.

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Oh Zichi , if only life was that simple.

The time is already passing to make this whole 'passport' idea feasible. What would have worked would have been a physical certificate, (to cater to those who are not tech savvy) - or a suitable app, both with excyrpted QR app recording the brand of vaccine , batch number , place of vaccination, date of doses (or dose in the case of J & J).

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These are still considered experimental vaccines.

Private companies should be left to make their own decisions here.

OK, what if such private companies decided not to allow blacks on their flights? Or any other groups?

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,,and the QR code (should) have included biometrics.

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OK, what if such private companies decided not to allow blacks on their flights?

"Blacks". Not "black people" but... "blacks".

Wow.

Or any other groups?

Fellow human beings, maybe?

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OK, what if such private companies decided not to allow blacks on their flights? Or any other groups?

I'm sure there are many black people who aren't allowed to fly on planes. But it's probably due to being on no-fly lists for things like, to take a recent example, participating in an attempted insurrection against the US government.

But if black people are banned from flying because of their skin color, that's against the law, due to it being a violation of civil rights. You can't stop being black. Assuming the vaccine is available to you, you can very easily stop being unvaccinated.

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If you're scared of traveling because of something that's innocuous to 99.9+% of people mabye you shouldn't be flying anyway, how you even get by in life terrified of the very air you breathe eludes me

@Wobot - this is completely untrue - and by now you must be aware of this is untrue. Why do you deliberately underplay the dangers of a deadly disease?

For example, so far half a million Americans have died after contracting COVID, which at a minimum would require a population of 500,000,000, even if there was 100% infection.

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And next you probably want the non-vaccinated squeeze into closed camps? Some decades ago, they also hadn’t the right passports and their traveling through life was suddenly ended.

@Sven Assai - ah - both the slippery slope fallacy and Godwin's Law all in one short post.

Many countries have require yellow vaccinations as a condition of entry, but to my knowledge, they do not put people in ovens. You suggestion is so absurd.

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Before I answer the question, I need an answer to this question.

Will vaccine providers be legally liable for death or injury from (especially coercively administered) vaccines?

@Jimizo - no one is suggesting that the vaccine be coercively administered.

But why do you need this information to answer the question? There is no obvious connection, as far as I can see.

But if you need an answer, the question I think would be no - vaccines have to be authorised by the government and occasionally they do have side-effects.

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Private companies should be left to make their own decisions here.

OK, what if such private companies decided not to allow blacks on their flights?

Silly and naive comparison.

Being black is not a choice.

Choosing not to be vaccinated is a choice which could make you a health hazard to others.

Enormous difference.

Airlines as an example should have the right as private companies to state their flights are only available to those vaccinated. The government should not get involved here nor force people to be vaccinated.

Personally speaking as someone who cares about hygiene, I don’t want to travel with anti-vaxxers nor stay in hotels with them.

Make your choice. Live with the consequences of your choice.

@Jimizo - no one is suggesting that the vaccine be coercively administered

I know. Why is that addressed to me?

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@Ah-so

no one is suggesting that the vaccine be coercively administered.But why do you need this information to answer the question? There is no obvious connection, as far as I can see.

Denial of participation in civil life is a form of coercion and I am sure will be legally challenged.

But if you need an answer, the question I think would be no - vaccines have to be authorised by the government and occasionally they do have side-effects.

Regardless of who authorizes it someone needs to be legally liable for death or injury. If a new model car is faulty and this results in fatal accidents then the maker is held responsible. Why not with this vaccine?

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United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights

https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

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@Jimizo

Choosing not to be vaccinated is a choice which could make you a health hazard to others.

So will you propose that HIV/AIDS passports also be issued because carriers may infect others in society?

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Choosing not to be vaccinated is a choice which could make you a health hazard to others.

So will you propose that HIV/AIDS passports also be issued because carriers may infect others in society?

What a silly idea.

Can HIV/AIDS be transmitted through the air on a plane or on surfaces?

I’d have no problem whatsoever sitting next to a person with HIV/AIDS on a plane or staying in a hotel with people with HIV/AIDS. I, like other responsible people, not going to get involved in any situations where I could be exposed to it.

As for Covid anti-vaxxers, ugh. They could infect you by just being there.

Very unhygienic.

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@Jimizo

Can HIV/AIDS be transmitted through the air on a plane or on surfaces?

No. But the principle is the same.

The question above is:

Vaccination passport for traveling: What's your stance?

The idea is not limited to getting on a plane. It includes condition of entry into countries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/02/26/europe-covid-19-vaccine-passport-israel-greece-eu/amp/

HIV/AIDS is transmissible. Would you favor nations requiring HIV/AIDS passports as a condition of entry?

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@Jimizo

Can HIV/AIDS be transmitted through the air on a plane or on surfaces?

No. But the principle is the same. 

The question above is: 

Vaccination passport for traveling: What's your stance?

The idea is not limited to getting on a plane. It includes condition of entry into countries

Your HIV/AIDS to Covid comparison is totally banal.

You catch HIV/AIDS through irresponsible behaviour. If you don’t behave irresponsibly, you stand a next to zero chance of contracting it.

Covid is much more infectious and responsible people can catch it. Some are just unlucky.

As an unvaccinated person, you put others at risk just by your presence around them. You are a walking health hazard to people who are behaving responsibly.

So no, I don’t believe in vaccine passports for HIV. If you don’t want HIV, behave responsibly. If you have HIV, behave responsibly. We’ve all become aware of this.

Irresponsible Covid anti-vaxxers are much worse as they can kill people who are behaving responsibly. I don’t want to go back to the UK to see my elderly, vulnerable mother after sharing a plane with an anti-vaxxer.

Think of other people. It’s what decent people do.

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@Jimizo

You catch HIV/AIDS through irresponsible behaviour. If you don’t behave irresponsibly, you stand a next to zero chance of contracting it.

That's a bit harsh. What about faithful married partners who contracted HIV/AIDS from an unfaithful irresponsible spouse? This is common.

Your latest post focuses on carriers of disease, thier responsibilities, etc. But the question proposed refers to governments issuing 'vaccination passports' in order to prevent disease entering thier countries.

If we can be compelled to prove that we are low risk of bringing Covid into a country, it logically follows that we can be compelled to prove that we are low risk of bringing any other disease as well, including HIV/AIDS.

So my question to you is valid.

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If we can be compelled to prove that we are low risk of bringing Covid into a country, it logically follows that we can be compelled to prove that we are low risk of bringing any other disease as well, including HIV/AIDS.

@Concerned Citizen,

In principle, I'd say you're right - a country should be able to impose restrictions to prevent people bringing in diseases. But is it not more a question of practicalities versus risk? Covid spreads easily, HIV far less so. As we are seeing with Covid, there are many difficulties in implementing such restrictions. So why should a country bother when the risk of spreading the disease is low?

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Proof of vaccinations to travel internationaly were a requirement when I was a child.

It is the smart thing to do.

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OK, what if such private companies decided not to allow blacks on their flights?

There are laws against such a thing in most nations. I don't think you'll find such laws regarding vaccination passports.

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Denial of participation in civil life is a form of coercion and I am sure will be legally challenged.

It may even win in America. But not in nations where the people are willing to make some personal sacrifice for the greater good, so don't expect your lawsuits to go far anywhere else. You guys will probably have to limit your travel to domestically in your own country, and whichever third-world nations really need your money. That should keep you busy though.

And clean up the rest of the tourist destinations for the rest of us, as a welcome side effect.

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(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

This very clearly does not indicate that people have the human right to enter any country. Only to leave your own.

The problem for you guys will be finding countries willing to let the plague-ridden to enter their nations. Some will though, so you'll have a few travel destinations.

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