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I don't get it, are they just going to approach people on the street?

The government also plans to collect information on Twitter and other social media to track changes in people's attitudes toward the pandemic

Please do not use Twitter as the benchmark for public opinion. That place is a cesspool.

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"As early as March"...lol

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Japan will commence random mass PCR testing as early as March

Same old propaganda of the past 12 months “we will test more”. Difference is no one has any hopes this is true this time.

And lets even consider the very remote possibility this time would be true...

Why start as early as March and just not get it done now that the medical system is not copping and more than 15,000 are already in waiting list for medical facilities.

The problem is happening now, chain transmissions must be stopped now, not “from as early as March”.

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Have they improved on the accuracy of the PCR testing? I thought it was somewhere around 70 percent. Pretty unreliable indeed.

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Guy in back ally in Shinjuku," psst, want to have a totally anonymous PCR test done, all paid by the government? Just spit into this tube".

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> Japan will commence random mass PCR testing as early as March....

By whose reckoning is March early?

The time for collecting data has long gone.

When are the vaccinations going to be given?

To whom and where?

It is pathetic...

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I'm getting really tired of reading about things that Japan should already be doing - things that are not that complicated to set up - with the phrase "as early as" and some ridiculously far off date.

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Just start candom testing ? It should be tested long ago.

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Just like in Hiroshima with their 800,000 tests?

Oh, after nearly 2 weeks they're still considering...

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Japan will commence random mass PCR testing as early as March as part of efforts to ascertain the extent of the coronavirus' spread in city areas, government sources said Monday.

Proof that a small number of posters on here, who have been suggesting exactly this since at least mid last year, know what we’re talking about.

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Japan will commence random mass PCR testing as early as March as part of efforts to ascertain the extent of the coronavirus' spread in city areas, government sources said Monday.

The supersonic speed of the Japanese government always amazes me.

Why start as early as March and just not get it done now that the medical system is not copping and more than 15,000 are already in waiting list for medical facilities.

The problem is happening now, chain transmissions must be stopped now, not “from as early as March”.

What’s worse is that they should’ve started weeks or months ago.

I don't get it, are they just going to approach people on the street?

Well people will know they’re there ( properly identified so check that ) and then I‘m guessing it’s optional so the person asks to do the test and they say “just wait a sec, here ya go”.

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What's that saying...something about closing the barn door after the horse has bolted?

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Better batten down the hatches and watch out! Suga's brain's startin' stormin'!

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As early as March...a full year after the first lockdown.

The sluggardly, tooth-sucking response to this crisis is a national disgrace.

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The central government is aiming to conduct up to several thousand polymerase chain reaction tests per day , with the goal of using the information to develop effective virus prevention measures, the sources said.

Is this last year,s media line about testing in March 2020 in order to develop prevention measures? Sorry , for a second forgot this is the "modern, efficient Japan we are reading about.

I'm getting really tired of reading about things that Japan should already be doing - things that are not that complicated to set up - with the phrase "as early as" and some ridiculously far off date.

Amen to that.

Just like in Hiroshima with their 800,000 tests? Oh, after nearly 2 weeks they're still considering...

Yeah, whats happening with that...anyone know?

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Just like in Hiroshima with their 800,000 tests?

Oh, after nearly 2 weeks they're still considering...

Exactly what I was thinking, we had those type of mass testing announces / asserting the real extent from the virus for months. Super fast testing using robots as well, so it does start to sound like propaganda.

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oooh!

the real percentage of infections from a significant sample of population.

it's never gonna happen.

not before the Olympics.

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 PCR testing as early as March 

After this point I stopped reading as the rest is irrelevant for the current situation, so late to start random testing is this some kind of joke?

Somebody please get a spade and dig up the sand to many political heads are stuck in it.

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Japan will commence random mass PCR testing as early as March as part of efforts to ascertain the extent of the coronavirus' spread in city areas, government sources said Monday.

Gee it just took over a year since this started for the government to try to ascertain its extent. No sense of urgency at all.

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Interesting. It actually makes more sense to not test asymptomatic people to exclude false positives - this is a well known scientific fact: https://math.hmc.edu/funfacts/medical-tests-and-bayes-theorem/

If they're testing in March a month after the state of emergency has finished the government must be confident the symptomatic cases will have largely gone by then and will be assessing how far it spread by residual RNA. So, they're actually following the science and being sensible with how the test is being used

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That was a long meeting. haha

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The data, along with the results of the random PCR tests, will be analyzed using artificial intelligence, aiming to detect a potential surge in infections at an early stage.

I get it, AI is a buzzword these days, time to use supercomputer Fugaku to ramp up national pride.

What an utter joke. Yoshimoto Kogyo and Johnies, Yoshimoto especially has caused and continues to

cause irreversible damage to peoples mind in this country.

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This absolutely STINKS of the government using the results of mass screening as a way of creating a reason to cancel the Olympics. They haven't been doing this up until now link in most developed countries, but when they actually need a 'reason' to cancel, suddenly it begins.

We all know what the results will say once they get this underway.

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Good.

Together with the random serologic test this would give a good picture of spread of infection.

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....and story continue on...talk talk talk no action...where did i heard that?

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Might also give info on level of infections in smaller localities.

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This would have been much more helpful in December.

The cases are already going down, who knows how low they'll be by the time these tests start.

Reminds me of the Abenomasks, with most people receiving them when they were no longer needed/desired.

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The costs of the tests, which will be carried out by contracted private companies, will be fully covered by the central government.

So it'll be another Samix company (see Chubu Airport)? Essentialy, the government will have no control over the cost, they will just pour money into it, because the private companies will just bill the government. But it's our money, we pay it through taxes.

will be analyzed using artificial intelligence, aiming to detect a potential surge in infections at an early stage

AI is just a buzzword in Japan. In the end, it will be just someone crunching the numbers into an Excel sheet and his/her boss will give it to his boss who will release it as AI result.

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Back home, a relative of mine was chosen at random to have a test over six months ago! Since then, she and another relative also got another free test because they had to go to the hospital for a routine operation. Now, she says anyone in her area can get free testing.

To say that things are moving at a glacial speed in Japan is putting it mildly.

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Random sampling and statistical modeling. Yep that’s the way to do.

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The J Gov should have been doing this all along. It is a best practice to track the spread.

There is something like a 55k per day test capacity, and they should be testing all suspected cases and then doing random tests up to the remaining capacity.

Waiting until March is absurd. It isn't like experts haven't been saying this all along.

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How about random testing of commuters on the Yamanote line or Marunouchi line during the rush hour? The usual "申し訳ありません... ご協力お願いします..." while giving the China treatment to commuters. (Grabbing people and forcefully extracting their DNA.)

I'm really curious about whether people already have/had COVID-19 and are all right. All right as in don't/didn't know so no visit to the hospital or pharmacy.

My friend had it and his son had it. He was all right, but his son had trouble breathing. They quarantined for two weeks and are fine now.

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Could it be that the J-gov is finally admitting to themselves that the head in sand approach is not going to work on this occasion?

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If I do not have any symptoms, I do not want do any random test. If positive, will have to stay home or go to hospital. Better not to know..

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“The data, along with the results of the random PCR tests, will be analyzed using artificial intelligence, aiming to detect a potential surge in infections at an early stage.”

And once they have the data what will be done? Close everything down and get people off public transport?

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If I do not have any symptoms, I do not want do any random test. If positive, will have to stay home or go to hospital. Better not to know..

@didou - You and people like you are part of the problem. If you are asymptomatic and don't know, then you are most probably spreading the virus to others. One of the purposes of mass testing is to find exactly these people and help protect everyone else. It is better to know. Take a bit of responsibility please.

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If positive, will have to stay home or go to hospital. Better not to know..

Good point. Blissful ignorance will never harm you, or those around you. /s

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And once they have the data what will be done? Close everything down and get people off public transport?

Close karaoke places at 7pm most probably.

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If people are quarantining, they won't be tested; if people are out, they're more likely to test positive; if the tests are voluntary, you will not get a truly random sample.

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Get tested and risk being unable to work under threat of deportation. Im good thanks.

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Mass testing ??? Good one. 200 per day ?

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At last, just about nine months too late. I’ve been banging on about this months, it’s essential in the planning and logistics of providing health care and vaccines. Yet still people here are pooh poohing the idea. Other countries have been doing this for months.

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I guess a year late is better than never. And I like how they announce this on the heels of Hiroshima having the courage to show them up.

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HBJ Today 12:04 pm JST

@didou - You and people like you are part of the problem. If you are asymptomatic and don't know, then you are most probably spreading the virus to others.

No, the problem is believing too much asymptomatic people are spreading the virus. Though they do, many studies have shown that asymptomatic people do transmit at least 4 to 5 times less that people with symptoms. Because the viral load is much lower.

And what asymptomatic does exactly mean for covid.

Exactly nothing. No symptoms at all.

Or just having a sore throat, or something not significant like that, but still a symptom.

I believe the later.

One of the purposes of mass testing is to find exactly these people and help protect everyone else.

No, the purpose is not to find these people otherwise it would have been done for a while.  Japan does that for its statistics and estimate the spreading of the virus.

Japan already did similar testing on 10000 people in three cities and had a good estimation of the infection at that time

 

Ascissor Today 12:05 pm JST

If positive, will have to stay home or go to hospital. Better not to know..

Good point. Blissful ignorance will never harm you, or those around you. /s

Ignorance is to believe being asymptomatic. In that case, a regular test, every 3-5 days is necessary to make sure we are still covid free. Would you test yourself on such a regular basis ?

Certainly not, so what’s the point to get tested just once if no symptom and no requirement (work, etc). Just to know you do not have covid…And then,….

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I have to say it again.

Too little, too late.

Looks like Japan is being run this way, way too often!

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I’m not sure if they are ready for the results of random testing.

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Re: '...as early as March'.

Pulled from a Tokyo news site. The translation of 'Hayakereba Sangatsu kara kaishi' to be fair should be: "March at the earliest".

政府が不特定多数の人々を対象にした新型コロナウイルスのPCR検査を早ければ3月から開始する

https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/81969

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People have to go with the ebb and flow of the Japanese bureaucracy. All is good. I already had it anyway.

I think it would be wiser to test for people with antibodies, so we don’t waste time inoculating those not needing it. I would wager that 50% have already had it.

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Do the hustleToday 03:10 pm JST

I’m not sure if they are ready for the results of random testing.

The numbers will not add up to the expected results, so it will be scrapped, as many times before. Only if the numbers match to what you expected, then it will proceed here. If it will not match, then there will be a research of why it didn't add up and what could have caused it. Few apologetic politicians in TV for a few days, deep bows and everything will be fine.

didouToday 01:14 pm JST

No, the purpose is not to find these people otherwise it would have been done for a while. Japan does that for its statistics and estimate the spreading of the virus.

Japan already did similar testing on 10000 people in three cities and had a good estimation of the infection at that time

Wow, a staggering 10000 people in three cities! That's better than some third world country. For example, we beat Rwanda. Take that Rwanda!

Yeah, statistics and estimates, that's how we roll here. We like Excel, numbers and keep ourselves busy.

No, the estimates were way off and partly because not enough tests were being done (sure, you could have yourself tested for sanman or goman in the beginning). First problem was that they started testing late. Then there is the missunderstanding that one round of testing equals job done. You need to test again and again and again and have real time numbers and keep it under control. You cannot rely on only estimates with society crammed in such confined space with no shutdowns. And especially Japan cannot afford relying on estimation because it's historicaly bad in keeping under control things that were not expected.

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I think reading about randomized testing first would benefit most people here.

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The costs of the tests, which will be carried out by contracted private companies, will be fully covered by the central government.

Is Dentsu going to set up a covid testing subsidiary?

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Now? They’re going to start real testing NOW?

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Finally.

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I've been challenged innumerable times that random testing was a nonsense.

took more than a year for they to finally aknowledge it.

it's so tiresome. I'm so feed up of this nonsense.

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