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Hives, chills reported following COVID-19 vaccination in Japan

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The Japanese government said Saturday it has received reports of hives and chills as potential side effects from coronavirus vaccination, in the wake of the vaccine rollout in the country earlier this week.

It is the first time to confirm possible side effects from COVID-19 vaccination in Japan. The hives case occurred at a hospital in Toyama Prefecture on Friday, the prime minister's office said in a tweet.

Toyama Rosai Hospital said the hives occurred in a person after inoculation but the symptoms quickly disappeared. The hospital has declined to reveal details about the person.

The hospital, along with another one in the prefecture, began administering the vaccine on health care workers from Friday. On that day, 48 people received vaccinations at the hospital.

The ministry and other officials said the case of chills was initially reported as a symptom of anaphylaxis, which was later retracted. The ministry has not disclosed from what prefecture the case was reported.

Japan launched its vaccination effort on Wednesday, initially for 40,000 medical workers at 100 hospitals across the country. There have been no reports of serious side effects of the vaccine developed by U.S. drugmaker Pfizer Inc and Germany's BioNTech SE.

If a person dies due to side effects following a coronavirus vaccination, the government will pay 44.2 million yen ($419,000) in compensation to the bereaved family, according to the health ministry.

Of the initial group of 40,000 health workers, 20,000 are taking part in a study to track potential side effects caused by the vaccine. They are asked to keep daily records for seven weeks after taking the first of two shots. The shots will be administered three weeks apart.

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This is a normal anaphylactic reaction that occurs in a tiny fraction of people who get vaccinated. Far less than 1/10th of a percent.

This is why you wait 15 min. So that if a reaction occurs, an epipen will clear it right up before the reaction advances.

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I don’t care what the Big Pharma PR lawyers say.

Hives is not normal and that person’s body reacted for a reason.

My answer is no. I’m not taking it under any circumstances.

-48 ( +26 / -74 )

My relative in the states is in the medical field. They got the vaccine back in January. They were fine after the first dose. After the second dose they developed nerve damage. Docs are saying that might have been due to an undiagnosed condition . Don’t know yet. Some people are having weird reactions like my relative.

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And the CDC gives the following advice when this occurs:

If you have a non-severe allergic reaction to a COVID-19 vaccine

*CDC has also learned of reports that some people have experienced non-severe allergic reactions within 4 hours after getting vaccinated (known as immediate allergic reactions), such as hives, swelling, and wheezing (respiratory distress).*

If you have had an immediate allergic reaction—even if it was not severe—to any ingredient in an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, CDC recommends that you should not get either of the currently available mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. If you had an immediate allergic reaction after getting the first dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, you should not get the second dose.  

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/allergic-reaction.html

15 ( +19 / -4 )

Didn't i tell u in my previous post how serious some people are having side effects in UK, and it's compulsory there otherwise you cannot go to work. But it's your decision in Japan for now

-32 ( +12 / -44 )

Nine of my relatives have gotten the vaccine. Two are doctors and two are nurses. One is an EMT. Besides a little arm pain, no reactions or issues.

@Asiaman: If you have had an immediate allergic reaction—even if it was not severe—to any ingredient in an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, CDC recommends that you should not get either of the currently available mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. If you had an immediate allergic reaction after getting the first dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, you should not get the second dose. 

Your statement makes no sense.Are you saying that people should get tested for reactions to each individual ingredient in the vaccine?

-8 ( +13 / -21 )

Ok side effects will happen to some people as with all types of medicines or drugs. Alcohol makes me laugh, it makes my other friend depressed and another friend of mine angry.

23 ( +29 / -6 )

And I broke out in hives after taking a new (to me) prescription painkiller for a headache. Not once have I reacted like that to anything else, before or since. These things happen.

26 ( +30 / -4 )

One case.

There have been no reports of serious side effects of the vaccine developed by U.S. drugmaker Pfizer Inc. and Germany's BioNTech SE.

It again is one case. No one has died in any country from the vaccine.

I can't wait to get vaccinated.

23 ( +32 / -9 )

Doesn't change my mind. Make the vaccine available right now to people who WANT it. Stop wasting time persuading those that don't, or waiting for them to make up their minds.

17 ( +23 / -6 )

No one has died in any country from the vaccine.

Hundreds have died in the US after vaccination. In about 1/3 of cases they died within 48hrs.

-34 ( +13 / -47 )

My answer is no. I’m not taking it under any circumstances.

and nobody is forcing you, stand aside one less person in line for the others waiting

31 ( +37 / -6 )

Hundreds have died in the US after vaccination. In about 1/3 of cases they died within 48hrs.

20million vaccinated so far, herd immunity means 75% of the population needs to become infected at a 2~3% mortality rate thats about 5 million dead. yeah herd immunity isnt an option vaccinations are.

18 ( +22 / -4 )

Hundreds have died in the US after vaccination. In about 1/3 of cases they died within 48hrs.

I am going to go out on a limb and say this is fake news that was debunked. See below

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28K1U3

If not, where is your refrence to this information.

25 ( +30 / -5 )

i will leave mines to others in line...dozo

-2 ( +11 / -13 )

Hundreds have died in the US after vaccination. In about 1/3 of cases they died within 48hrs.

Links?

28 ( +30 / -2 )

I'll be having the vaccine in the next month or so I'd imagine, so I'll let you know.

12 ( +15 / -3 )

Links?... Sounds like "man down the pub"

17 ( +20 / -3 )

Ahh the fear mongering has begun!

How about some more info huh?

Does the recipient have a history of hives? How bad was it? Did they die? Did they recover? How soon after the immunization did the hives occur?

How about some reporting for a change?

13 ( +16 / -3 )

Hundreds have died in the US after vaccination. In about 1/3 of cases they died within 48hrs.

If this were true an actual, credible news organization would be all over it because it would be a big deal. It’s not because it’s not true.

The FDA, the world-side gold standard for safety and efficacy has declared the vaccine safe and effective, so i will go with what the experts say over a bunch of conspiracy theorists.

And nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated. But I’m sure if you exercise your rights and get infected, you won’t be using national health insurance, right? You’ll pay 100% of your medical expenses out of your own pocket, right?

11 ( +17 / -6 )

And so it begins! Most vaccines go through years of testing before they are released, not months. The long term side effects of these vaccines are unknown. I still believe that hygiene, distancing and isolation are the only way the planet will beat this virus.

-3 ( +13 / -16 )

Hives might be due allergic problem

7 ( +9 / -2 )

The FDA, not the CDC is responsible for vaccine approval. The CDC has no part in the approval process.

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I believe that the majority of people that are against vaccinations are just selfish and relying on the rest of the population to get vaccinated so that they don't have to. They make claims like x number of people died or my friend suffered nerve damage or my relatives child was genetically altered and ended up suffering from x and so forth. What they don't do if provide evidence to back up their claims. They also fail to explain properly why they think that governments and health officials around the world promote vaccinations all the while behaving as though there's some conspiracy to deliberately injure the planets human population. I think it should be compulsory for the majority of the population or at the very least if you are not prepared to get vaccinated then you shouldn't be allowed into any work place. In other words, if you think isolation and personal hygiene is a proper response then you should be quarantined at your expense until it's safe to release you back into the general population.

6 ( +15 / -9 )

Allergies. Wife gets bad hives if she eats the wrong food. We have to check every label especially for sorbic acid.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

Did we beat measles or smallpox by washing our hands and social distancing? No! Take the vaccine.

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Bradley,

In Economics, it’s called the “Free-rider Problem.” It occurs when individuals get the benefit of a public good without contributing.

In this case, anti-vaxers, conspiracy theorists and the just plain selfish benefit from herd-immunity without getting vaccinated themselves. They also, get public insurance to help pay the medical expenses that they incur if they are infected.

And yes, it’s selfish

7 ( +15 / -8 )

Hundreds have died in the US after vaccination. In about 1/3 of cases they died within 48hrs.

Let me guess, you believe the earth is flat, Trump won the election, and the sky is falling too?

You are lucky you posted this here on JT, because if it was any other forum, outside the quack-verse, you would be deleted, permanently!

12 ( +15 / -3 )

Hives might be due allergic problem.

Possibly scabies. Not uncommon.

Hundreds have died in the US after vaccination. In about 1/3 of cases they died within 48hrs.

Fake news.

11 ( +14 / -3 )

I'd take hives over coronavirus

12 ( +16 / -4 )

Go to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and download their data:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/datasets.html?

This is only data for the US and only 1% of adverse reactions are actually reported in the US.

Mainstream media channels / Newspapers will not report this data. Local news outlets sometimes will report adverse events.

"Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). "

0 ( +8 / -8 )

Burningbush has been shouting from the rooftops he won't take the vaccine. Okay,we heard you. Do as you please.

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As of 2/12/2021 from VAERS data:

Found 15,923 cases where vaccine is COVID19 (will list Pfizer or Moderna):

Sorry, you again made the hug mistake of putting only half of the information, It is sad you could not correct it since the last time where you were corrected for doing it. The problem is that you have not provided the information of how many of those effects happen to a population that is not vaccinated.

VAERS only gains importance when compared with non-vaccinated people and shows a higher number of problems, for COVID-19 this is not the case. The vaccine is safe and effective.

Pharma wants to bury it as it threatens their agenda and profits.

That is false, as easily proved as showing how dirt cheap steroids like dexamethasone are easily recognized as very effective in treating complications.

Ivermecting is simply again people pushing for ineffective medicines by selectively presenting only badly made studies and ignoring the much better designed meta-analysis that properly weight the studies and show that the better a study is conducted the less effect ivermectin shows, as expected from something that has is not useful. For example https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.26.21250420v1

A conspiracy theory based on doctors, scientists, nurses, etc. letting their friends and family die without a good treatment just because (since they are not the ones that would get any morney) is not believable at all, all the professionals know much more than you how to evaluate scientific evidence, and if until now there is no clear proof of the efficacy of ivermectin they are a much more trustworthy source of information.

1 ( +10 / -9 )

"Hundreds have died in the US after vaccination. In about 1/3 of cases they died within 48hrs."

Ummm not true. Fake news at least the 1/3 in 48 hours part.

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 Is that worse than getting Wuhan Coronavirus? 

Oh please! Other countries have gone on and made their own mutant/variant that's stronger than the original.Still calling it purely the "China Virus" is highly suspect in character.China hasn't had the outrageous death count of a good few western countries.So how's that explained? What seems popular is that westerners aren't particularly clean.Are you ok with being considered like that by Asians,Japanese etc?

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

@Thomas: Hives are trivial according to my family of doctors, RN's and IC care unit nurses and doctors working in Covid units.

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i will leave mines to others in line...dozo

go ahead take your chance, dont get infected, if you do youve got a 97-98% survival rate

if you do vaccinate your chance of infection drops by around 90% add to that minimal chance of death by vaccination your survival is around 99.9999%

simple math tell you your chance of surviving covid19 is far far higher by being vaccinated or letting nature take it course

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Let's hope this doesn't turn into hitting the pause button for six weeks until every Tom, Dick, and Harry who works for the Japanese government has had a chance to bow profusely to the television cameras in groveling apology that someone got hives...

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Hives are trivial

Not to the suffer. Can be cured with medicine, antihistamines but agony when suffering.

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The real problem is a lack of detailed information. Do you know exactly what’s in it, besides that mRNA that has been communicated? I bet, most of you don’t, and so do I. So while the mRNA cannot be responsible for allergic reactions of any kind, what could it be then? That uncertainty makes parts of the public doubt. And don’t say, it’s a secret or a patent could be violated. That’s not the fitting answer on the questions everyone has. lol

5 ( +9 / -4 )

The real problem is a lack of detailed information.

True and most people have no idea about VAERS. If it's the data you need go to:

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19

VAERS data compiled up to 2/12/2021:

Found 15,923 cases where vaccine is COVID19 (will list Pfizer or Moderna) - Remember that only 1% (not even 10%) is voluntarily reported and majority of people don't know about VAERS and some hospitals will refuse to report to VAERS (in denial that vaccines could ever harm or cause side effects) - includes the vax used, patient details without name, date, reaction details, etc. Some have no reactions and some have serious reactions but you will see clearly what happened with the 1st or 2nd injection (now Bill Gates is announcing a 3rd injection - he is now the authority on vaccines and viruses even predicting when this will end (not 2021))

Remember that Phase 3 has not yet been completed as these vaccines are only approved for Emergency Use Authorization. The people who inject will provide the data to complete phase 3.

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Very interesting data query, thank you @neowave

(although a severe topic, it is also a little bit funny, regarding that 30% overhead for multiple reasons in that table, for example not serious+recovered+death+office visit would be a ‘funny scenario’, right? lol)

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Great to have so many qualified experts contributing their substantial knowledge and experience.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

The real problem is a lack of detailed information. Do you know exactly what’s in it, besides that mRNA that has been communicated? I bet, most of you don’t, and so do I. So while the mRNA cannot be responsible for allergic reactions of any kind, what could it be then? That uncertainty makes parts of the public doubt. And don’t say, it’s a secret or a patent could be violated. That’s not the fitting answer on the questions everyone has. lol

They should do testing on the vaccine to check these things. Maybe they could start on animals with similar biologic function to humans, and if things look ok they could move on to human trials. They could even split these human trials up into multiple phases, widening the number of people they test on, if the previous tests clear.

How has anyone never thought of this process before? I can't believe me, this anonymous internet hack, could actually come up with something that would benefit mankind, and no scientists before me ever thought of it before. I am goddamn amazing.

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I took an antibiotic for an infection and broke out in a very itchy rash, my doctor changed the prescription and I was cured. I didn't condemn all antibiotics, individuals react differently to the same things.

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2 people I know have gotten the vaccine. They both work in the medicine. Both had a reaction on the second dose. They said, be prepared to take 2 days off and have some Tylenol handy. Fever, aches for a day or day and a half. Anybody questioning the information about the vaccine modify your RNA and DNA? Even Mark Zuckerburg was caught video meeting saying “ we don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine and that it modifies your RNA and DNA.” Funny average joe will get fact checked by saying something like this, but he’s caught saying the same thing in a closed meeting. These are what make people question what they are being fed. Perhaps Japan would be wise to create their own vaccine( maybe tailored towards Asians) with a slow role out and thorough testing.

-4 ( +7 / -11 )

To the ridiculous rumor spreaders! The two Covid-19 vaccines approved for use in the United States have reassuring safety profiles with no concerning new issues found in data collected from the first month of vaccinations, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday.

After administration of 13.8 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines to the U.S. population, most reports indicated non-serious side effects of the type that had been expected, such as headaches and fatigue. No deaths have been attributed to the vaccines, the data showed.

The CDC collected data between Dec. 14, 2020 and Jan. 13, 2021 from both an existing national surveillance system for adverse events and its own safety monitoring system established for Covid-19 vaccines.

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During that time, 6,994 reports of adverse events after vaccination were recorded in the national surveillance system with 90.8 percent of them classified as non-serious and 9.2 percent as serious.

Rare cases of anaphylaxis, a severe allergic reaction requiring medical attention, were reported with both vaccines at a rate of 4.5 cases per million doses administered, down from the agency's previously reported rate of 5 per million doses administered. The rate of anaphylaxis linked to Covid shots is similar to other vaccines, CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Friday during the White House Covid-19 Response Team briefing.

"Healthcare providers and vaccine recipients can be reassured about the safety of Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines," the CDC said.

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I read that when Pfizer did their trials, of about 20,000 people who got the vaccine, and about 20,000 people who got the placebo, one person in the first group had an anaphylactic reaction, and one person in the placebo group had an anaphylactic reaction. Neither person died.

I got my first Covid-19 shot almost two weeks ago. My arm hurt a lot for two days afterwards, but I have had worse reactions. When the service made us get vaccines, my reaction to the yellow fever shot was the worst I ever had. Cholera was second. My Covid-19 shot was much less severe.

Maybe we should just let natural selection do its job; those who think they are more likely to die from a vaccine than from the disease it is designed to prevent should be allowed to choose that path, despite the more than hundred years proof to the contrary.

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The real problem is a lack of detailed information. Do you know exactly what’s in it, besides that mRNA that has been communicated? I bet, most of you don’t, and so do I

I gave you a reference with the detailed information the last time you complained about it, found after a minute of googling, lack of information is not a problem, people pretending it is when everything is there would be a problem.

True and most people have no idea about VAERS. If it's the data you need go to:

Unfortunately that apparently also includes you, that think that anything reported there is a vaccine related problem, that is false, in reality that conclusion can only be made after comparing it with non-vaccinated people to see if the problems are in higher incidence or not. This is something you have not done. Making your whole comment misleading.

Remember that Phase 3 has not yet been completed as these vaccines are only approved for Emergency Use Authorization

That is false, phase III is already over, it is required also for the emergency authorization (and in Japan that does not even apply) at this point we are on phase IV for these vaccines.

Maybe the problem is that you keep using medalerts, which is a terribly bad source of information, well known for misleading information and even open lies since their purpose is to deceive people into invalid fears to vaccines, maybe if you got your information from more trustful sites you would be able to understand properly how to use VAERS.

Anybody questioning the information about the vaccine modify your RNA and DNA?

No, not really, at least nobody that actually understand what mRNA is, because it makes no sense. Your idea of "wise" is worrying, because it means that for you sacrificing the people that keep dying day with day, and that lose their jobs or business because of the measures to contain the pandemic are insignificant sacrifices for the extra year (at best) required for a local vaccine to be developed.

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According to the statistical analyses of Covid19 infection, It turns out that there is another 'vaccine' that people have used for years. Tobacco smoking.

A "vaccine" that is related with higher rates of complications and death is not something that can be said to work. Specially if you count also the increased risk derived from the obvious need of smokers to be in close proximity while unmasked when in places with restrictions on smoking, which in Japan is almost everywhere. Smokers may (information is still preliminary at this point) not be infected as easily with low viral loads, but once infected they will progress to serious complications and death much more frequently.

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/smoking-and-covid-19

Also, you keep trying to use the example of Dengvaxia without making any effort to understand it.

The vaccine do not kill people, and can be used without problems in countries where the problematic serotype is not endemic, and can be also safely be used for people already immune to that serotype in order to protect them from the other three.

The vaccine was used in the general population against the recommendations of the developers that planned for a gradual use in order to finish the safety evaluation.

The problems were discovered precisely by the manufacturers, which increased vigilance since the government acted against proper safety standards.

The vaccine still protects against the disease and their complications, but not to the degree necessary to be considered for human use when the person is infected by one of the four serotypes. Those people are still much better protected than if they were left to be infected by the four serotypes (which in countries like The Philippines is just a matter of time) because they are at risk of complication from all the successive infections.

If you want to use and example, try at least to understand it first, Dengvaxia is not an "horrific story" and misleading people with wrong information is worth being condemned. You don't have to know everything, but if you want to talk about something to "convince" people of your way of thinking then you have the responsibility of knowing about what you are talking about.

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I did find a nice site where they clearly and simple answer the obvious question, "So what ingredients are in the vaccine (s)?"

https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/HealthU/2021/01/11/a-simple-breakdown-of-the-ingredients-in-the-covid-vaccines/

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VAERS includes everything and anything that happens after a vaccine is used.

YES absolutely and people are reporting what happened after they are vaccinated with their 1st and 2nd injections on VAERS which is compiled on MedAlert (which you are trying to discredit - they are compiling the data for you to understand - don't know why in the world you intend on discrediting them). It is the only government website to go to report vaccine reactions after a shot but you dismiss, discredit and ignore the data.

MedAlerts:

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19

VAERS:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/datasets.html?

Pull the data. Open it in a spreadsheet application. You'll see all the details Pfizer or Moderna. 1st or 2nd shot. Can't believe you would ignore and dismiss all this vital data and just go straight for the injections!

You are correct. Phase III is over and we are in Phase IV of the trial and these vaxxes are NOT FDA approved. Just approved as an Emergency Use Authorization EUA (skipping many of the long term safety protocols).

ZERO LONG TERM STUDIES (YOU are providing that DATA. ZERO studies on pregnant women and already miscarriages are already happening - vaxxed seniors have already died but you will deny it has anything to do with the vax) EU authorization. They are just trying to test Pfizer's vax on those ages 12-15 and having trouble getting volunteers. I really do not understand how you can have a scientific background (or not?) and just ignore the long term studies and go straight into injecting people with these risky vaxxes.

Your "pharma based science" bias is showing Vger. I hope they are paying your reps enough to trolls sites to maintain the narrative. There's big money in keeping these vaxxes in play with and push their "fear" and "pharma can do no wrong" game. Whatever they're paying you I will double....no triple it. Stock options? You betcha ;)

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I did have chills and difficulty breathing while trying to sleep after my second shot of Moderna vaccination. I had the shot at 10.30 am in the morning and went to the health club later to exercise. No issues or problems. I had totally forgotten that I had the shot and later in the evening I had two beers.

My throat felt dry. I felt cold with chills. I got up and drank some water. That helped. But later, I felt too warm and took off a blanket.

I wonder if the beers had anything to do with the reaction. If I had not forgotten about the shot, I would not have had the beers.

I stopped all alcohol and will so for two weeks. I have been drinking Gatorade which has Electrolytes.

I did not have any reactions after the first shot.

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Dengvaxia killed hundreds of children.

No mistake about that or is that just ‘nonsense’?

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YES absolutely and people are reporting what happened after they are vaccinated with their 1st and 2nd injections on VAERS which is compiled on MedAlert (which you are trying to discredit - they are compiling the data for you to understand

No, the problem that make medalert discredit themselves (and make your whole argument false) is pretending that by being registered in VAERS the negative effects are automatically related to the vaccine, This misleading information obviously used to deceive people is what makes the site have such a bad reputation and why you should change your sources, unless your objective is the same as them.

Pull the data. Open it in a spreadsheet application. You'll see all the details Pfizer or Moderna. 1st or 2nd shot. Can't believe you would ignore and dismiss all this vital data and just go straight for the injections!

Again, that is only half of the information. The absolutely necessary other half is how frequent those same negative effects are reported in unvaccinated people.

For example if out of every million vaccinated people 10 people died, having only this half of the information would make it seems like the vaccine killed those people. But if the other half of the information is that out of every million NOT vaccinated people 20 died, that makes it obvious that those negative effects are completely unrelated to the vaccine.

So, why do you resist so much to provide the whole information necessary? is it because it proves that vaccines are safe and you are unable to accept this?

This would be a terribly dishonest thing to do, which is why medalert is heavily criticized by the people that work professionally keeping others safe and healthy, if you don't want to become like them try using actual unbiased sources that do include both halfs of the information.

Your "pharma based science" bias is showing Vger. I hope they are paying your reps enough to trolls sites to maintain the narrative.

I know that people that can only be interested in money tend to think everybody must be the same, but as always your imagination is running wild without any basis on reality. Most other people have much more trust on science than in sites well known for lying precisely because of the duty of preserving public health is more important than benefiting personally from other people having mistaken beliefs and having higher risks.

It is also against the rules of the site to baselessly accuse other people of things you imagine, is this complete disregard for the rules what justify in your mind using information you know to be false or misleading? anything as long as you can impose your personal beliefs?

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Dengvaxia killed hundreds of children.

No mistake about that or is that just ‘nonsense’?

Yes, still a mistake as I already proved to you the last time you wanted to use that mistaken argument.

The vaccine by itself killed no-one. The problem is that it provided less protection than necessary for approval against the negative effects of having immunity when infected by one serotype of the Dengue infection. But that protection, even if incomplete is still much better than the natural option of getting infected by any of the other serotypes first and then the problematic serotype, which causes complications and death in much higher numbers than in vaccinated people (especially because no protection against the other 3 is gained).

Is it ignoring corrections the only defense you have for this misrepresentation? that is not very productive, but at least it gives the chance for other people to know this argument is invalid as you want to use it when anybody else corrects you.

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Chills is not an uncommon side effect of the vaccine as during the trials 14% exhibited some for of chills after the first injection and 35% after the second injection. Pfizer has clearly stated this in their published studies. For anyone interested it starts on page 19/30 in the link below. Chills alone should not be a significant cause for concern and most of the reported cases were not severe.

http://labeling.pfizer.com//ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14471&format=pdf&#page=12

The study does not specifically address hives although it would like fall under "redness". If it is truly hives then the recipient likely had a more severe and possibly allergic reaction to the vaccine.

Remember there are 6 or 7 vaccines being developed. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine uses a a different bio technology.

Based on all of the research and reading and my personal circumstance (including age and certain allergies) my doctor recommended and my mom's doctor in the U.S. both recommended I get vaccinated but in my case they are suggesting the Johnson and Johnson version so I will go that route (I am hoping it is available in Japan).

I remember in the 80's (seems like a different life) when I deployed to a different country in SE Asia I felt like a pin cushion prior to leaving and as Glenn said above I also had a strange reaction to the yellow fever vaccine.

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GdTokyo: In this case, anti-vaxers, conspiracy theorists and the just plain selfish benefit from herd-immunity without getting vaccinated themselves. They also, get public insurance to help pay the medical expenses that they incur if they are infected. And yes, it’s selfish.

Every year the death toll of the common flu runs into the tens or hundreds of thousands. Your argument applies equally to every person who doesn’t get an annual flu shot, catches the flu and infects others, all of whom receive a partial subsidy from the public purse for medical treatment. If you’re going to attack those exercising the freedom of choice to refuse a Covid shot, at least be consistent and widen the net to include all those virtue signallers who are now railing against those advocating a cautious approach to Covid vaccination, yet see no inherent contradiction between that and their failure to get the annual ‘herd immunity’ promoting flu shot themselves.

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@Virusrex

Your information is unfortunately lacking in the extreme.If Sanofi-Pasteur were free of blame then why issue an apology?

Late last year, the vaccine maker, Sanofi-Pasteur, admitted that Dengvaxia could increase the risk of severe dengue in sero-negative patients, or those who had no dengue infection before they were vaccinated.

In other words the vaccine was responsible for causing death!

Plain enough to me but somehow not to you...

Read more: https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/980855/doh-list-of-dengvaxia-deaths-grows#ixzz6n53F6ZE2

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Your information is unfortunately lacking in the extreme.If Sanofi-Pasteur were free of blame then why issue an apology?

Who said they were free of blame? only that the huge disaster you presented is not real, The protection the vaccine provided EVEN for sero-negative patients do exist, but not enough to be approved for human use, the vaccinated patients are still in a much better situation than non-vaccinated people that are repeatedly infected by the four serotypes, because they are at a reduced risk from one serotype and even more reduced risk from the other three of them, instead of full risk for all the infections above the first.

That still means that the results prove the vaccine cannot be used for that subset of the population and that it should have been released in much shorter numbers first until that was confirmed, the pharmaceutical company still have to assume some of the responsibility of that.

That is something very different from your misrepresentation.

Nothing in your post or in your link refutes even one single thing from what I wrote. Try reading more in order to correctly put things in context. At least understand what role have the serotypes in the problems with Dengue.

For example it is still a vaccine approved for use by the FDA for use in patients from 9yo, as long as they have been infected once, which eliminates the problem of incomplete protection

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/first-fda-approved-vaccine-prevention-dengue-disease-endemic-regions

The safety and effectiveness of the vaccine was determined in three randomized, placebo-controlled studies involving approximately 35,000 individuals in dengue-endemic areas, including Puerto Rico, Latin America and the Asia Pacific region. The vaccine was determined to be approximately 76 percent effective in preventing symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed dengue disease in individuals 9 through 16 years of age who previously had laboratory-confirmed dengue disease. Dengvaxia has already been approved in 19 countries and the European Union.

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I’ve proved my point..,

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I’ve proved my point

That you like to post things that can easily be contradicted by evidence? at least you can recognize it.

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""the hives occurred in a person after inoculation but the symptoms quickly disappeared""

"QUICKLY DISAPPEARED" So why even report it?? just to scare half the population? all makers said there will be side effects, and it's 94% effective, better than most other vaccines.

I would NOT be surprised if some local drug maker trying to push their own Made In Japan vaccine were behind this story.

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Seems like a rather pointless article with no other purpose than click-bait scare mongering.

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Burning BushFeb. 20 04:23 pm JST

I don’t care what the Big Pharma PR lawyers say.

Hives is not normal and that person’s body reacted for a reason.My answer is no. I’m not taking it under any circumstances.

Hives are a normal part of an allergic reaction and allergy to the Corona virus is what is being installed. Haves may in fact be an indicator that the person's immune system has taken the vaccine 'seriously' and that that person may have an enhanced protection from the virus. The very last frontier that Medicine will overcome including Cancer and the brain and excluding the cellular control structure will be a complete understanding of our immune system. It is that complex. Certainly more complex than all of Human civilization by a light year...

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Hives are a normal part of an allergic reaction and allergy to the Corona virus is what is being installed. 

Hives can be a normal part of an allergic reaction, but the allergic reaction is not a normal, expected effect of immunization. Allergy to the coronavirus is neither the purpose of being vaccinated. In the same way it is not an indication that the person will have any enhanced protection, actually the recommendation for someone that got hives after receiving the first dose is not to get the second.

Allergy is an anomalous, pathogenic immune reaction. It doesn't help protecting the body and it does not even have to be directed to the antigen of the vaccine but to any of the other components. From the immunization point of view it would be extremely desirable (but realistically impossible) if the total number of people getting hives after vaccination was zero.

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Hives, chills reported following COVID-19 vaccination in Japan

The only people who would be surprised by this are the ones who never look outside the mainstream information bubble and the censored social media like Twitter and Tube. Plenty of reports of side effects on the alt tech platforms that allow free speech. You get the jab, you have to accept that a certain percentage of people will have adverse side effects, sometimes dramatic.

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I received my Covid shot yesterday and i [email protected]# t16625223 yeterdayzzzz

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And so it begins! Most vaccines go through years of testing before they are released, not months.

The last time they rushed this was the Swine Flu Pandemic that turned out to be a non Pandemic.

The CDC and WHO's record for Pandemics is not all that great.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/05/01/vaccine-swine-flu-coronavirus/

As for the other comment on the FDA approval, Big Pharma is all over and inside the FDA, the FDA's approval for anything is always doubtful. Even CNN agrees, and that's unusual.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/09/health/fda-approval-drug-events-study/index.html

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The last time they rushed this was the Swine Flu Pandemic that turned out to be a non Pandemic.

Who are "they" in what aspect the FDA rushed anything in the Swine Flu pandemic? or in what way the WHO rushed anything on vaccine clinical trials? you are talking about two very different things.

The WHO did things properly on the Swine Pandemic, it raised the alarm on an emerging disease that was easily transmitted between animals, and recommended preemptive measures to avoid having large number of deaths in the case the disease proved to be more dangerous than the seasonal influenza. Fortunately it was not the case, but the economic powers of the world did not like that health professionals choose to err on the side of caution, so they made as much as possible to completely take out any kind of political power the WHO had to pressure countries to take measures, 10 years later the WHO was completely unable to pressure China into doing anything opportunely to prevent the pandemic from spreading and the same countries that caused this now complain bitterly that the WHO did not do anything to pressure China.

You don't even have to trust any single organization, the information from the clinical and pre-clinical trials has already been published and examined by the experts of the world. Which consider the testing perfectly adequate and the approved vaccines safe and effective, to doubt this means thinking everybody is criminally inept and unable to do their work, or else inside the conspiracy to put a dangerous thing in the market to be used in their own family and friends for no reason. Neither is a realistic possibility.

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Forcing a person to have a vaccination against their will must surely be an abuse of Human rights ?

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Forcing a person to have a vaccination against their will must surely be an abuse of Human rights ?

That is probably why nobody is arguing for it. Same as being vaccinated with microchips or immunized in secret without consent or any of the other conspiracy theories, it is just an imaginary fear (Outside of North Korea and maybe China).

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These days everyone can be an expert or purport to know more than another, and even Governments/Government Officials can have ulterior motives. Being able to make a decision and keep to that decision yourself, must surely be a right that must be respected without prejudice from others.

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@virusrex - that is not quite true, back in the UK, Companies are exploring whether they can force employee's to have an inoculation or simply fire them if they refuse. The same will undoubtably follow suit elsewhere.

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that is not quite true, back in the UK, Companies are exploring whether they can force employee's to have an inoculation or simply fire them if they refuse. The same will undoubtably follow suit elsewhere.

That is a completely different thing. Even now there are jobs where vaccination is a requirement, specially when dealing with vulnerable patients.

If the reason is valid those companies would still NOT be vaccinating people against their will, they would simply be not be employing those people. And if their reasons are not valid the employees have many resources to fight that decision.

Also, the vast majority of people that refuse vaccination without valid reasons are characterized for science denialism, the same science that says the natural infection is more dangerous than the vaccines, for them it would be terribly easy (even if horribly irrational) to simply get infected and demonstrate immunity making the choice moot. They believe the infection to be safer (even if it is obviously not) so they can still prove immunity without vaccination.

These days everyone can be an expert or purport to know more than another

That is why you don't listen to "everyone" and instead only to recognized, valid scientific authorities.

If a decision can be validly proved to be irrational there is nothing wrong with saying it is, specially if that decision has an effect on the health of others as well, people that are prepared to take such irrational decision should also be prepared to recognize it.

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Toyama Rosai Hospital said the hives occurred in a person after inoculation but the symptoms quickly disappeared.

So this is a report about one person? Reading the headline, I thought many Japanese people were having a reaction....

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So exactly left unclear, is which branch of big-pharma produced this particular version of vaccine?

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As a veteran I've heard a lot of older ones tell me they get soreness, maybe chills afterr the first shot. then they're fine. Don't worry too much and don't believe the doomsayers, the doctors do know what they're doing.

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Hives and chills vs. Potential month and half on respirator and then slow death.

Yeah at my age sign me up for hives and chills. No problem.

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It's winter. It's cold. We all have the chills. And they're multiplying.

I have hives every now and then, it sucks. They usually go away within minutes.

What's the problem here?

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