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Pelosi says House will impeach Trump unless Pence, cabinet force him out

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please go back to the fetid swamp of ignorance and lies you emerged from...

10 ( +14 / -4 )

He is too narcissistic to quit.

He should though. It would give Pence a chance to pardon him, at least for his federal crimes.

Looks like his state crimes keep piling up. The latest is obstruction of justice by calling a GA fraud investigator during an investigation.

21 ( +24 / -3 )

Trump should fulfill his duties to the people that voted for him.

Only a weak leader quits in rough times, Trump isn't weak.

He'll serve out his term as he promised.

-23 ( +14 / -37 )

Only a weak leader quits in rough times, Trump isn't weak.

Rough times indeed.

Felony murder is likely on his list of criminal charges.

17 ( +23 / -6 )

Make no mistake, he WILL be impeached this week. Inciting insurrection (as well as trying to get an election official to influence election results) simply cannot go unanswered.

Will he be convicted? I think it’s not out of the realm of the possible. The GOP senators are seething and they no longer fear him as they once did.

Even better, he should and may very well be indicted at 12:01 pm January 20th on literally dozens of crimes from obstruction of justice to campaign finance law violations to tax-bank-wire fraud to sedition.

The total sum of his legal jeopardy is breathtakingly broad and deep.

14 ( +18 / -4 )

Trump, has few fellow Republicans speaking out in his defense

I'm chanting the GoTrump line his backers (US and 'foreign') used in 2016.

Sickening watching sedition caucus members like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, senators who encouraged the violent right wacks who attacked the capital, to now try to re-re-spin their positions and claim they thought the assaults on democracy were wrong.

15 ( +19 / -4 )

A violent and largely white mob of Trump supporters overpowered police

Why is the race of the protestors so important? It just seems to exacerbate the divisions in society.

-27 ( +6 / -33 )

@ burning bush

Because it's a fact.

20 ( +26 / -6 )

“There must be a recognition that this desecration was instigated by the President.”

That's clear. Re-listen to Trump's rally speech moments before the Trump-backing mob violently attacked the capitol in their attempt to help their cult leader steal the election and overturn the republic. Re-listen to Trump's personal attorney tell the mob 'trial by combat'. Lock Trump, Giuliani and the others in their insurrectionist circle up.

12 ( +15 / -3 )

“There must be a recognition that this desecration was instigated by the President.”

That's clear. Re-listen to Trump's rally speech moments before the Trump-backing mob violently attacked the capitol in their attempt to help their cult leader steal the election and overturn the republic. Re-listen to Trump's personal attorney tell the mob 'trial by combat'. Lock Trump, Giuliani and the others in their insurrectionist circle up.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

viking68Today  06:43 am JST

He is too narcissistic to quit.

He should though

The picture above shows it too. Trump is shaking his fist against the Stars and Stripes. He's shaking his fist, showing his contempt for America and democracy.

That's what fascists and traitors do. Trump is a man without a country and a man without a soul.

9 ( +14 / -5 )

Because it's a fact.

It's also a fact that each protestor has two legs, but there's no need to point out that fact unless you have a reason to do so.

Pointing out who is white and who is black etc. just fuels the divide and the tension.

Americans are Americans and the media should be color blind.

-20 ( +8 / -28 )

Americans are Americans and the media should be color blind.

Exactly. Progressives have killed MLK’s dream.

-23 ( +6 / -29 )

Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse said he would take a look at any articles that the House sends over. Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger, a frequent Trump critic, said he will “vote the right way” if the matter is put in front of him. But, he said, "I honestly don’t think impeachment is the smart move because I think it victimizes Donald Trump again.”

'Victimize him again'? Trump keeps on 'victimizing' more people evry day! Don't those people count? 5 people, incl. cops are dead because of this scumpot Milosevic! How much more evidence do these clods need in order to realize the facts that Trump is a fascist traitor and unfit for office? WTH, man? What the hell????

10 ( +13 / -3 )

It's also a fact that each protestor has two legs, but there's no need to point out that fact unless you have a reason to do so.

Pointing out who is white and who is black etc. just fuels the divide and the tension.

Americans are Americans and the media should be color blind.

Fine. Let's rephrase then. "A violent mob of Trump supporters that included many sporting Neo-Nazi tattoos, Confederate flags, far right racist t-shirts, hats, and other paraphernalia, overpowered police"

Now, let's see. Who tends to sport Neo-Nazi tattoos, Confederate flags, and far right racist paraphenalia? If I lined up 1,000 people who were doing so, I'd probably be able to count on my hands the number of minorities in said group.

14 ( +18 / -4 )

Burning BushToday  07:35 am JST

Because it's a fact.

It's also a fact that each protestor has two legs, but there's no need to point out that fact unless you have a reason to do so.

Pointing out who is white and who is black etc. just fuels the divide and the tension.

Americans are Americans and the media should be color blind.

Basically Trump's fan base is white supremacist, anti-Semite, neoo-Nazi, neo-Confederate, white power trash, etc. So why not just come out and say it?

13 ( +19 / -6 )

Pointing out who is white and who is black etc. just fuels the divide and the tension.

It's clear to Americans with even the tiniest ability to reason that white nationalists have long been the most dangerous portion of the population. Read US intelligence reports (not those from the Kremlin).

That Trump and his fellow Republicans have poured more fuel on long burning fires, supported by keyboard warriors in the US and abroad, is a fact. Problems canNOT be solved by hiding facts. That the violent mob supporting Trump's attempts to steal the election and overturn the republic was almost exclusively white is a fact.

9 ( +15 / -6 )

Basically Trump's fan base is white supremacist, anti-Semite, neoo-Nazi, neo-Confederate, white power trash, etc. So why not just come out and say it?

Because you're stereotyping.

Just people most girls like pink doesn't mean that the definition of girl is someone who likes pink.

-21 ( +7 / -28 )

Jason Miller, a senior political adviser to the president, said after speaking with Trump on Saturday that the president plans to spend tens of millions of dollars from his political action committee to help Republicans win back the House and Senate in 2022.

I'll believe that when I see it. Trump doesn't care about politics, or Republicans, conservatism, or the US. All he cares about is himself and his massive ego. If anyone thinks he won't use his PAC money to further enrich himself, they're delusional.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/as-trump-leaves-office-weakened-republicans-wonder-if-his-wounds-are-fatal/

12 ( +16 / -4 )

'Victimize him again'? 

What was the other dumb excuse for not voting to convict during the first impeachment, Trump has learned his lesson?

No, he learned that he can do what he wants (lie, cheat, steal), like he has all his life, without consequence.

8 ( +13 / -5 )

Out of all of the past presidents, there has never been such a controversial president as Mr DT, the country is in turmoil, the country is a joke on the world stage, its lost its credibility world wide. it highly divided, Mr J Biden has got a mammoth job a head of him.

13 ( +17 / -4 )

@burning

Trump should fulfill his duties to the people that voted for him.

we didn’t hear you saying this when Trump was out playing golf every day

16 ( +21 / -5 )

Mr J Biden has got a mammoth job a head of him.

Or, the bar is so low, that any rational decision that could be made by a child will be lauded as a triumph over the man baby and his sycophants.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

@Burning bush Trump is no leader never was never will be...He will go down as the worst president in history any achievements that he had were all wiped out on Jaunaruy 6.

9 ( +15 / -6 )

That sick SO* and his ilk need to spend the rest of their lives in prison - and definitely I'm definitely not of those "Club-Med and/or Rich-Folk" style of prisons either. I'm talking being locked up in a dirty, general-population, in a typical US Federal prison, where the general-inmate population knows exactly who you are as soon as you walk in. Trump and all and those who helped enable this insurrection, and those who allowed four innocent folks to be killed because of this revolt, need to suffer the consequences of their actions (I'm intentionally not counting that QAnon conspiracy theorist who was killed as part of the innocent victim list; which would make would make it five, as she clearly rejected her oath to defend the US Constitution – an oath you swear to when you enlist into the US Military).

There should not be a free-pass from punishment due to the race you are, or the privilege of the social/economic -status you happen to possess. If are you encouraging folks to form a sedition, and completely rejecting The Constitutional process - by ignoring the established process of how to amend or to even completely dissolve The Constitution - then you don't get to claim immunity from the punishment that results from advocating or engaging in that type of that malfeasance. The US Constitution clearly allows a non-violent process to dissolve the current system, and start a new one - without resulting into a coup d'etat.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Trump should fulfill his duties to the people that voted for him.

Um, no. He is supposed to work in the best interests of all Americans, not just his idiot, racist base.

As he is incapable of even looking like he is trying, he should resign. If not he will be impeached, again.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

Pointing out who is white and who is black etc. just fuels the divide and the tension.

Pointing out the difference in response when the protestors are white vs. black is an uncomfortable truth showing the racial divide that exists. Some people want to go back to a time when it wasn't something that was talked about socially, making them uncomfortable. They preferred it when the oppressed suffered in silence.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

The pathetic hand wringing excuses, back pedalling, diversions and lame “now isn’t the time” bleats will be ignored.

Impeached twice. One for the history books.

9 ( +11 / -2 )

"Polls: Half Of All Americans Support Removing Trump Following Capitol Riot"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/01/08/polls-half-of-all-americans-support-removing-trump-following-capitol-riot/

Some 57% of Americans think Trump should leave office as soon as possible instead of serving out the remaining 12 days of his term, according to an Ipsos/Reuters poll conducted Thursday and Friday (14% want impeachment, 30% want his Cabinet to remove him by invoking the 25th Amendment and 13% want him to resign).

Just 44% of registered voters told Politico and Morning Consult that Congress should start impeachment proceedings (43% said no), but 49% favor a 25th Amendment removal by his Cabinet (37% said no)

Similarly, a YouGov poll from Thursday found 50% of Americans want Trump removed from office immediately (42% said no), with 55% saying Trump shoulders a great deal of blame for Wednesday’s events.

A majority of Democrats (92%) and Republicans (71%) opposed the mob that broke into the Capitol building, according to the Ipsos/Reuters poll.

59%. That’s the share of Americans who described the people who broke into the U.S. Capitol as criminals, according to Ipsos and Reuters. Just 9% called them concerned citizens, and 5% saw them as patriots.

"Most Americans blame Trump for Capitol attack but are split on his removal"

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/most-americans-blame-trump-for-capitol-attack-but-are-split-on-his-removal

Nearly two-thirds of Americans place a good deal of the blame on President Donald Trump for the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, but the country is evenly split over whether he should be removed from office before his term ends on Jan. 20, according to the latest PBS NewsHour-Marist poll.

63% A great deal - How much do you think Pres. Trump is to blame for what happened at the U.S. Capitol

With just days left in Trump’s presidency, more Americans than at any other point of his tenure — 58% said they disapprove of Trump’s performance, including 51% who say they strongly disapprove.

88% - who oppose the actions of the Trump supporters who broke into the U.S. Capitol (96% of Democrats, 80% of Republicans, 86% of Independents)

90% say the perpetrators should be prosecuted for the break in

A majority of Americans — 56% felt law enforcement were not aggressive enough when confronted with the Trump supporters who broke in

7 ( +10 / -3 )

The more you dwell on your differences the more you expand the divide.

Don't let these petty differences become the defining character of each person. Judge people by their accomplishments and merits, not by the color of their skin.

I would agree with this rational sentiment.

However, conservatives are not seeking unity. They are trying to create a Christian state, which is the opposite of unity.

The common thing that should unify the population is the desire to make people's lives better.

I just see conservatives seeking to preserve white privilege and the religious right.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

Wow, the swamp is in panic mode, worried that Trump will still find a way to pull this off.

-11 ( +4 / -15 )

Because you're stereotyping.

Just people most girls like pink doesn't mean that the definition of girl is someone who likes pink.

@Burning Bush - I think you make a valid point. Just because all white supremacists support Trump it doesn't mean that all Trump supporters are white supremacists.

However, it would appear that a very that quite a high percentage of those who attacked the Capitol were.

11 ( +14 / -3 )

The more you dwell on your differences the more you expand the divide.

The more you try to silence discussion because it makes you uncomfortable, the more you expand the divide for those who are being told to shut up and live with it.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

Wow, the swamp is in panic mode, worried that Trump will still find a way to pull this off.

The swamp is in panic mode worried that they'll never be able to tweet again.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

However, it would appear that a very that quite a high percentage of those who attacked the Capitol were.

"appear" is the most important word in that sentence.

Unless you were there, you don't know the facts nor the truth.

-18 ( +6 / -24 )

Why is the race of the protestors so important? It just seems to exacerbate the divisions in society.

Because had it been a mob of minorities there would have been far more bloodshed. This is self evident to anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to what’s been going on in the US.

8 ( +13 / -5 )

The more you dwell on your differences the more you expand the divide.

The longer you ignore the disparity in treatment by law enforcement, the longer that disparate treatment continues and the worse it gets.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

appear" is the most important word in that sentence.

Unless you were there, you don't know the facts nor the truth.

I wasn’t there, but we have a mass of evidence that white supremacists were leading the charge against the Capital because known white supremacist leaders were photographed there, white supremacist leaders openly bragged about being there and white supremacist leaders left a trail of online evidence openly planning this.

Does this mean everyone who stormed the Capital a white supremacist? No. It means they all joined in a common cause with white supremacists. Interpret that as you wish.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Because had it been a mob of minorities there would have been far more bloodshed. This is self evident to anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to what’s been going on in the US.

So then divert your anger towards Capitol police, who should be treating everybody equally.

It's their fault their policing standards are inconsistent.

-17 ( +4 / -21 )

Thousands of videos and photos showing all the protestors or Trump thugs were white. I didn't seen a black protestor or Trump thug. The Proud Boys planned to storm the congress and came armed and prepared, including a pipe bomb and other explosive devices. Flash bangs and weapons.

There were black police officers.

A new video on the media shows a group of white thugs beating a Capitol police office and overwhelming him with one beating him on the head with a flag staff. That office has since died, without any response from Trump. It was VP Pence who phoned his family.

All those the police are looking for are all white. Their photos are published online. hose who have been arrested are white.

Tens of thugs carried the Confederate flag into the Congress for the first time ever. That flag is a symbol of white supremacist.

The protestors and Trump thugs made it about race.

5 ( +12 / -7 )

Don't let these petty differences become the defining character of each person. Judge people by their accomplishments and merits, not by the color of their skin.

I believe in this absolutely. I just don’t believe that you do.

It’s either backpedaling to divert from the hundreds of posts where you have clearly exhibited your belief in the opposite of this, or trying to keep attention on you as it slowly wanes.

5 ( +10 / -5 )

The GOP is so Nazified that it’ll be a surprise if more than a few senators back the impeachment efforts.

This bunch have normalized deviant behavior and perversion. So don’t hold your breath.

Sponsors leaving GOP, their brown shirt soldiers exposed and fired from their jobs is the right way to go.

The American public will purge this debased ideology on their own!!!!

5 ( +8 / -3 )

It's important to remind everyone that all the the people who violently invaded the Capitol are white because only very racist people would try to ignore it at this point in time.

After one year of the right criticizing and belittling Black Lives Matter protests by trying to make them all seem like violent, unlawful riots instigated by "black thugs and antifa" (when in reality 99% of the protests where completely peaceful), after one year of the right demonizing those protests and the people who participated in them by claiming they would burn the suburbs and that the democrats were actively supporting them and anarchy in general, after one year of the police and national guard using military-grade weapons to intimidate and scare those peaceful protestors away, it is extremely important to show everyone what a real violent, seditious protest looks like in America and what type of people perpetrate it: white, right-wing extremists.

The same ones that are responsible for most of the terrorist acts in America:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/us/domestic-terrorist-groups.html

Only once it is identified can a problem be solved, and the white nationalist terrorism problem in America needs to be named and identified.

It is also extremely important to use this attack as a perfect example of the systemic racism in America that leads to a perpetual and deplorable double standard, because there are still a lot of (racist) people who want to claim racism doesn't exist in the US anymore. Images like the police pepper-spraying black protestors in the face, and the same police taking selfies with white rioters who invaded the Capitol:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/06/capitol-mob-police-trump-george-floyd-protests-photos

People who are now trying to sweep all of that under the rug with calls for unity and racial understanding are nothing but shameless hypocrites engagin in the vilest virtue signalling.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

Part of the counter-argument against impeachment seems to revolve around the notion that what America needs now is healing, not more division. I think even Joe Biden has expressed doubts about impeaching Trump based on this consideration, and I guess there's a case for it, as far as it goes.

It's just my opinion as an outsider, but I don't see how you can allow someone - a President, no less - to get away with what are clearly serious crimes against the well-being of the State, based primarily on a fear of how his supporters might react if you make him accountable for his actions. That way, it seems to me, lies the path of allowing the noisiest, most violent, and least responsible elements in a society to effectively take it over.

I don't think America can afford not to prosecute Trump.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

If you want to defeat your enemy, stop swinging the pendulum, stop treating your fellow Americans with such vicious vitriol and callous disregard for basic humanity and decency.

I treat all racists with vitriol equally, whether they are American or Russian.

Racists talking about humanity is hilarious, and they have no decency!!!

7 ( +12 / -5 )

Get the dropkick when he becomes a normal citizen again.

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Many African Americans must be disturbed and disappointed about the white protest, who were not attacked by police officers, even allowing the thugs to take selfies with them. If it had been a BLM protest the police who have been very different with their actions. That is definitely about race.

On the day of the protest 4,000 died from the pandemic. So many protestors were not wearing masks creating another super spreader event.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

That gesture with his fist that Trump's making in the photo - he's been doing that a lot lately. Is that going to be the Trump Salute for the new Party he's hoping to form, his equivalent to the Saluto Romano his poster model boy Mussolini used to use to whip up his own one-eyed followers?

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Rep. Jim Clyburn, the third-ranking House Democrat, said “it may be Tuesday, Wednesday before the action is taken, but I think it will be taken this week.”

Clyburn, D-S.C., a close ally of President-elect Joe Biden, suggested that if the House does vote to impeach, Pelosi might hold the charges — known as articles of impeachment — until after Biden's first 100 days in office. Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, has said an impeachment trial could not begin under the current calendar before Inauguration Day, Jan. 20.

“Let’s give president-elect Biden the 100 days he needs to get his agenda off and running,” Clyburn said. “And maybe we will send the articles sometime after that.”

Clyburn said lawmakers “will take the vote that we should take in the House" and that Pelosi "will make the determination as when is the best time” to send them to the Senate.

Percipient smart, advantageous, from a tailored political perspective.

Also, allowing the full weight of the Judiciary to make examples of the perpetrators/insurgents, including  the face painted horned fur hatted buffalo, Jacob Anthony Chansley feet upon the Senate dais, arrested on Saturday, a shared cell with “ Charles chopper Carson” will hammer the point home so to speak.....

0 ( +4 / -4 )

As much as I hate trump, what is going on proves that democracy is controlled by arms companies, Clinton’s, oil companies, drug companies, MSM and now the king of all, Big Tech.

-15 ( +2 / -17 )

Only a weak leader quits in rough times, Trump isn't weak.

Really?

I guess you've never seen how Trump reacted to Uncle Sam, the American Bald Eagle, when the latter expressed his displeasure with Trump's harassment. The face the president pulled is priceless: No hero he!

8 ( +11 / -3 )

It will be wrong not to censure Trump for inciting sedition and storming of the congress to try and destroy the ballot boxes and overturn the results of an open, free, fair and secure election.

Trump walks away with many life term benefits. Pension. Travel expenses. Office and staff expenses. Security agents. Health benefits.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

Many of the Trump thugs were wearing sweat shirts with Nazi slogans.

6 ( +12 / -6 )

Exactly. Progressives have killed MLK’s dream.

Wow, is unhinged too weak a word for this. Sad the derangement of the MAGA crowd is so deep it can lead to stating they want to hang Mike Pence and then lead to statements like this as well. It is not a different reality the MAGA seditionist rioters and their supporters on this website live in, it is pure non-reality.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

Yes great Idea and have the republicans dismiss it again on the last day just to make a point that Democrats won't be getting any support by republicans on any decisions while they are in government it is a fool's errand

And Bidens plan to try and unite America will fail right off the bat because of Nancy Pelosi pushing the Bipartisan ticket right till the end.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

Unless you were there, you don't know the facts nor the truth.

Omnipresence is a wonderful thing.

The rest of us will witness what we have seen on our screens and gone with the trusted reports and the various names and backgrounds of those who participated.

Makes for grim reading.

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/holocaust-references-on-garments-of-trump-supporters-who-stormed-us-capitol/

Photos and video of the rioters show some with attire bearing the words “work brings freedom” – a translation of the Nazis’ infamous “arbeit macht frei” written above the entrance to Auschwitz-Birkenau. Others were seen with a ‘Camp Auschwitz’ T-shirt”. Others brandished Nazi flags and swastikas as shown in live video feeds from the riot. Another report, livestreamed from inside the Capitol, showed a supporter writing: “OY VEY not anuddahshoahh,” a reference to the Shoah. On 4chan, an alternative social media network, a photo of a police officer in the Capitol building was met with the comment “KILL ALL [N-word] AND COPS AND JEWS”, in further evidence of how the incident triggered a wave of online racism. Elsewhere, an Israeli journalist from Channel 13 was subject to antisemitic abuse from a pro-Trump supporter whilst reporting outside Capitol Hill on Wednesday, as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) reacted to the “absolutely despicable” scenes.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hate-symbols-and-extremist-groups-at-the-us-capitol-siege-2021-1?r=US&IR=T#the-kek-flag-1

6 ( +10 / -4 )

He only has 10 days left.

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Burning BushToday  06:53 am JST

Trump should fulfill his duties to the people that voted for him.

Interesting that you only mention those who voted for him.

He hasn’t been doing anything except raging about the election loss and golfing since Nov.3.

14 ( +16 / -2 )

Basically Trump's fan base is white supremacist, anti-Semite, neoo-Nazi, neo-Confederate, white power trash, etc. So why not just come out and say it?

You do realize that most voters in the U.S. don't sit at home dwelling on politics all day? People vote, election result was whatever and are back to trying to live their lives. Oh and those who voted for Biden and Trump actually live under the same roof, work together, live in the same neighborhood, etc. and relationship has remained the same. Less than half of the U.S. voted for Trump or Biden. Those people are either minors, unregistered voters, don't care to vote or voted for other party candidates. So you are generalizing tens of millions of people by filling in a bubble on a ballot sheet.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

He only has 10 days left.

It's not about the days he has left. It's about the fact that he openly and maliciously incited rebellion and sedition. That he incited a riot.

This is about telling the next demagogue who wants to try this that no, you won't be able to skip out on punishment. That yes, impeachable acts have consequences. That we are a nation that holds its leaders accountable, and that nobody is above the law.

Not even a man-child President who only has 2 weeks left in office.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

Trump isn't weak

The man needs two hands to lift a glass of water...

13 ( +16 / -3 )

In Trump's twisted narcissistic mind becoming the only Potus in history to be impeached twice might be seen as a perverse mark of distinction to compensate for his losing the coveted "Noble". A second impeachment is the only way to guarantee his permanent removal from public office because otherwise he could still run after his release from jail.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

You do realize that most voters in the U.S. don't sit at home dwelling on politics all day?

I talked to my buddy in the US the other day. He said there's been a tension simmering under the air for a few years now.

They all feel it.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Trump has failed to do his duties for many weeks. Who was the last world leader he met?

The world's most democratic country turned out to be a very fragile one. Unable to even protect it's elected congress. Homeland Security?

9 ( +11 / -2 )

The world's most democratic country turned out to be a very fragile one.

The Trump era showed Americans that American Exceptionalism was all just a lie they told each other so much, they believed it.

Americans are susceptible to this. It's why Fox "news" flourished.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

You do realize that most voters in the U.S. don't sit at home dwelling on politics all day?

Probably why the US is teetering on the abyss, then.

A lot of first time voters, or those who'd not taken part in elections before. And they are shocked that their "team" didn't win. So some went on the rampage, and those who were slightly more clued up, planned the riot in advance.

Braniacs that they are, they publicised it online, and livestreamed their actions.

Oh and those who voted for Biden and Trump actually live under the same roof, work together, live in the same neighborhood, etc. and relationship has remained the same.

Of course. Most sane people are friends/colleagues/neighbors etc. Despite their political outlook. But the emboldened, the bizarre, the fantasists, bigots and echo chamber fascists are not most people. Thankfully.

The far right and fellow travellers are now planning for disruption and/or similar violent acts for (or in and around) Inauguration Day.

Which, obviously, will mean a strong, visible police presence. Which will result in the unusual situation of the "blue lives matter/law and order" brigade crying out over a "police state".

5 ( +8 / -3 )

Many of the Trump thugs were wearing sweat shirts with Nazi slogans.

Auschwitz, QAnon, Viking tattoos: the white supremacist symbols sported by rioters who stormed the Capitol

https://observers.france24.com/en/americas/20210108-white-supremacist-symbols-us-capitol

Enough said!

10 ( +13 / -3 )

My own American family are upset and disturbed about what has taken place under Trump, but they expected nothing less from this president.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

At the very least an Impeachment by the House will force Republican Senators to go on the record for or against removal of President Trump. They very much need to be forced to either step up or slink back into the shadows. Either way it's gold for the next election, and even before to constantly remind them what cowardly reprobates some of them are.

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Photos and video of the rioters show some with attire bearing the words “work brings freedom” – a translation of the Nazis’ infamous “arbeit macht frei” written above the entrance to Auschwitz-Birkenau. Others were seen with a ‘Camp Auschwitz’ T-shirt”. Others brandished Nazi flags and swastikas as shown in live video feeds from the riot. Another report, livestreamed from inside the Capitol, showed a supporter writing: “OY VEY not anuddahshoahh,” a reference to the Shoah. On 4chan, an alternative social media network, a photo of a police officer in the Capitol building was met with the comment “KILL ALL [N-word] AND COPS AND JEWS”, in further evidence of how the incident triggered a wave of online racism. Elsewhere, an Israeli journalist from Channel 13 was subject to antisemitic abuse from a pro-Trump supporter whilst reporting outside Capitol Hill on Wednesday, as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) reacted to the “absolutely despicable” scenes.

There were also a lot of white cops and firefighters in the trump riot!!!

Which is why Kaepernick took a knee and American, and the World needs to be reminded that "Black Lives Matter"!

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I talked to my buddy in the US the other day. He said there's been a tension simmering under the air for a few years now.

Glad to know your buddy represents 330 million people. My entire family, friends, colleagues, classmates live there and nobody gives a care. In fact, they live a Democrat run State and both Republicans and Democrats are signing a petition to remove the governor.

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Photos and video of the rioters show some with attire bearing the words “work brings freedom” – a translation of the Nazis’ infamous “arbeit macht frei” written above the entrance to Auschwitz-Birkenau. Others were seen with a ‘Camp Auschwitz’ T-shirt”. Others brandished Nazi flags and swastikas as shown in live video feeds from the riot. Another report, livestreamed from inside the Capitol, showed a supporter writing: “OY VEY not anuddahshoahh,” a reference to the Shoah. On 4chan, an alternative social media network, a photo of a police officer in the Capitol building was met with the comment “KILL ALL [N-word] AND COPS AND JEWS”, in further evidence of how the incident triggered a wave of online racism. Elsewhere, an Israeli journalist from Channel 13 was subject to antisemitic abuse from a pro-Trump supporter whilst reporting outside Capitol Hill on Wednesday, as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) reacted to the “absolutely despicable” scenes.

There were also a lot of white cops and firefighters in the trump riot!!!

Which is why Kaepernick took a knee, and America and the World needs to be reminded that "Black Lives Matter"!

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As much as I hate trump, what is going on proves that democracy is controlled by arms companies, Clinton’s, oil companies, drug companies, MSM and now the king of all, Big Tech.

The Clintons? You forgot Soros and the other booger people that scare conservatives.

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Don't forget the oligarchs. That's a fav.

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Of course. Most sane people are friends/colleagues/neighbors etc. Despite their political outlook. But the emboldened, the bizarre, the fantasists, bigots and echo chamber fascists are not most people. Thankfully.

If you say this, how about stopping to generalize 74 million people as far right extremists just because they filled in a bubble on a ballot? People have reasons for choosing candidates even if they don't agree with everything.

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Trump has to be punished for his crimes, end of.

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Another death related to the worst US president in history!

Officer Who Defended Capitol During Riots Dies of Apparent Suicide

https://www.yahoo.com/news/officer-defended-capitol-during-riots-190220265.html

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If you say this, how about stopping to generalize 74 million people as far right extremists just because they filled in a bubble on a ballot? 

Agreed. These people could be one of three things: far right extremists, ignorant, or willfully ignorant. Is not binary; however, you’d be very hard pressed to find any acceptable reason for anyone to have voted for Trump a second time.

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Many of the Trump thugs were wearing sweat shirts with Nazi slogans.

And many of them are being followed and losing their jobs, some in police departments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/antifa-far-right-doxing-identities/2021/01/10/41721de0-4dd7-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

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Don’t forget the guy wearing the hoodie that was inscribed with “6MWNE”

For those of you not in the know, that means 6 million was not enough”. It’s a reference to the Holocaust and strongly implies the more Jews should have been murdered.

They brought the Confederate battle flag, the symbol of racist traitors who took up arms against the elected government (sound familiar?) into the Capital.

They constructed a gallows (for rhetorical effect, of course!).

Yeah, I think we can make certain assumptions about the racist, xenophobic, and now seditious base that is Trump’s America.

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@ nomination

How many of those 74 million who filled out the the bubble are white extremists like the ones who occupied in Washington and Michigan. How many of them would it take to concern you.

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Trump holds up his fist like that trying to look strong, all I can think is “Wow, bad comb-over, and what tiny little hands.”

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how about stopping to generalize 74 million people as far right extremists just because they filled in a bubble on a ballot? People have reasons for choosing candidates even if they don't agree with everything.

This. The impeachment would accomplish nothing except further raise tensions, which seems to be the aim. It seems the state and much of the populace has declared 74 million of their fellow citizens to be enemies. Again, it is quite obvious how this thinking turns out. Rwanda comes to mind.

A disgrace to see so many Americans, formerly decent people, consumed with bloodlust.

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The impeachment would accomplish nothing except further raise tensions,

No, it wouldn't.

which seems to be the aim.

No, it isn't.

It seems the state and much of the populace has declared 74 million of their fellow citizens to be enemies.

No, simply the few hunderd ones that stormed the Capitol with weapons in hand and looted it. The only people generalizing it to 74 million Trump voters is... Trump voters themselves.

Again, it is quite obvious how this thinking turns out. 

With a few hundred criminals in jail and the president who incited them removed from office.

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A disgrace to see so many Americans, formerly decent people, consumed with bloodlust.

More disgraceful that so many Americans can support thugs following a thug leader in his attempt to steal the election. Crimes should have consequences.

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The impeachment would accomplish nothing except further raise tensions, which seems to be the aim.

The right always wants to run rampant, then not be blamed for their running rampant. Happened with Nixon, happened with Bush 2. Happened with the Tea Party. Happened with Trump using the office for political ends (the right must feel pretty stupid about the whole Muller thing now - as well as Hillary).

American Exceptionalism has led Americans to feel they have the right to do what they want without taking responsibility for the parts that they don't want to take responsibility for.

"The greatest democracy the world has ever had" my ass.

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If you say this, how about stopping to generalize 74 million people as far right extremists just because they filled in a bubble on a ballot? People have reasons for choosing candidates even if they don't agree with everything.

True, but I wish people would be honest about the existence of dangerous fellow travelers. Many decent people voted for Trump, but the disingenuous attempts by many to say that Trump was not fluttering his eyelashes at the racist trash like the crackpots who stormed the Capitol was dangerous. Be honest about this and call it out. Too many people didn’t over the past 4 years.

Don’t make excuses for it. Don’t let others in the future get away with it.

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"The greatest democracy the world has ever had" my ass.

Stranger: What’s your choice for the greatest democracy the world has ever had?

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So Trump wants to be impeached again...

"Trump may turn to Giuliani again to defend against impeachment"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawyers/trump-may-turn-to-giuliani-again-to-defend-against-impeachment-idUSKBN29F0MV

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Before Jan 6th, Trump was known as a failed businessman, a reality TV host, a serial adulterer and liar, a clown, a buffoon, incompetent, and a one-term President...

After Jan 6th, he'll be known as all of these plus seditionist, insurrectionist, and coup plotter...

And in six months we can add convicted felon...

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What’s your choice for the greatest democracy the world has ever had?

No clue. But the past four years have shown it's definitely not American. Pick any of the democracies that haven't had an active rebellion in the past decade.

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No clue. But the past four years have shown it's definitely not American. Pick any of the democracies that haven't had an active rebellion in the past decade.

Reasonable. Appreciate the answer.

I agree that you’d have to be quite delusional to claim the greatest the democracy the world has ever had is the US for the reason you stated and because the outsized influence the rich and corporations have on governmental decisions.

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@comenteer

This. The impeachment would accomplish nothing 

Well that's not true, it would accomplish three things:

It would strip him of his tax payer funded pension, secret service detail, and travel allowance.

It would prevent him from holding public office ever again.

It would record, for prosperity all those who officially opposed the events of January 6th, and more importantly those who did not
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NOMINATIONToday  11:01 am JST

If you say this, how about stopping to generalize 74 million people as far right extremists just because they filled in a bubble on a ballot? 

It's hardcore Trump supporters who see things in very simple terms that tend to make broad, sweeping generalisations like that, alleging that all of those 74 million voters are also diehard loyalists who will stick with Trump until 2024 and beyond. Personally I think a lot of them are swing voters, disaffected Democrats or lifelong Republicans who would never vote Democrat, and that they'll transfer their allegiance to the next Republican nominee.

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Simon Foster  Personally I think a lot of them are swing voters, disaffected Democrats or lifelong Republicans who would never vote Democrat, and that they'll transfer their allegiance to the next Republican nominee.

it looks like the GOP may split into two parties - an 'original' party with Trumpism branching off. There are a number of Republicans who are disgusted with this obnoxious babboon excuse of a President.

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but I wouldn't be surprized if racism didn't exist there.

There is plenty of it in Russia, some publicized like attacks in Vladivostok, others not so much like the attacks by soccer hooligans.

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It would strip him of his tax payer funded pension, secret service detail, and travel allowance.

It would prevent him from holding public office ever again.

All of those things are more or less irrelevant in Trump's case. But it certainly would raise tension and further marginalize 74 million people. This is why Biden isn't in favor of the idea - I'll give him credit for that.

So far as the claims of coup, these are absurd. Americans have been rioting for well over a year, with politicians blatantly cheering them on. On the other hand, one has to see secret coded messages in Trump's words to interpret them as cheering on rioting. You are all being brainwashed.

Personally, I had no objection when the Antifa BLM rioters targeted federal buildings, or police stations. This is common sense when the populace is angry at the government. They target government offices. That's how it works. Sadly, most Anitfa BLM rioters targeted innocent people and small homes and businesses that had nothing to do with the state they claimed to be fighting.

The people who claim that the rioters in DC are terrorists must also agree that rioters in Hong Kong, Kyrgystan, Iran, Thailand and Venezuela are also terrorists. Look at the company you keep.

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Sen Marco Rubio, R-Fla, said that instead of coming together, Democrats want to “talk about ridiculous things like ‘Let’s impeach a president’" with just days left in office.

Another clown. When Trump was running roughshod over everything from the Constitution to the election process, he stood by and did nothing and wholeheartedly enabled him but now wants to let him off and talk about 'coming together.' We have some of the most pathetic people in history in office now. Biden has his work cut out for him.

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commenteer

All of those things are more or less irrelevant in Trump's case.

I just don't see how saving tax payer's millions of dollars is irrelevant.

More significantly, recording the moral objections to an attempted coup, is surely extremely relevant to history, wouldn't you say?

marginalizing people is never ideal, but at some point, the 74 million people who voted republican have got to face reality. Not doing so is what gets you to the events of January 6th.
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