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U.S. will no longer call migrants 'illegal aliens'

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Undocumented immigrant is the correct term. People cannot be illegal, only acts can.

Holding into the alien terminology evokes otherness, which conservatives use to whip up fear amongst their low information base.

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People cannot be illegal, only acts can.

Yes, you can be an illegal when you trespass onto any public or private property. This is yet one more idiotic move by the left to TRY and force people to deflect from the reality of what the actual circumstances are by hopefully changing the language. It won’t. If any foreign enters Japan illegally you are by definition an illegal alien, regardless of the reason or intention. How can thousands of these kids coming in illegally be called “migrant workers?” They’re kids! And if they’re a non-citizen then that would mean, they already have a legal status within the country and are waiting to obtain legal status to become a legal citizen

Holding into the alien terminology evokes otherness,

That’s what they call people that enter their country as well. “extranjero ilegal”

which conservatives use to whip up fear amongst their low information base.

No, ask anyone that lives on along the border and it’s funny, the msm doesn’t interview these people nor the CBP especially live, wouldn’t want them to say something against their Orthodoxy.

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Yes, you can be an illegal when you trespass onto any public or private property. 

Those illegal acts make you a criminal, not illegal.

How can thousands of these kids coming in illegally be called “migrant workers?” 

Nobody is calling for undocumented immigrants to be labeled migrant workers.

That’s what they call people that enter their country as well. “extranjero ilegal”

And? This doesn’t magically make the English term “illegal alien” correct or accurate.

No, ask anyone that lives on along the border and it’s funny, the msm doesn’t interview these people nor the CBP especially live, wouldn’t want them to say something against their Orthodoxy.

Sure.

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Those illegal acts make you a criminal, not illegal.

When you enter any dwelling of another nation or public or private residence or property you are doing so “illegally” which is a criminal act.

Nobody is calling for undocumented immigrants to be labeled migrant workers.

The Biden administration is calling all illegals and labeling them as migrant workers, you cannot be a migrant worker as a child and the overwhelming majority of the people are not migrant workers.

And? This doesn’t magically make the English term “illegal alien” correct or accurate.

Just because Biden and the Democrats say so, just like this administration trying to indoctrinate to people that we have multiple genders? There was zero legal consensus on changing the English and legal word and definition of what an illegal alien, this is just crazy.

Sure.

Well, you never see the liberal networks talk to people that secure the border and why is that. These people are the ones that know and work the border, not some white collar idiot sitting in an air conditioned office writing and debating on some idiotic policy that doesn’t affect our daily lives. When you fail to listen to the California border patrol and when you decide not to interview them or put them on TV or allow them to speak to the public about what is going on, it doesn’t reflect on your intentions as the President of the United States.

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Following Japan. We were “aliens” and had a card and fingerprint to prove it. Now we are residents and permanent residents.

An American niece works with the undocumented in California and never used the term illegal aliens. Dehumanising.

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Bass: by the left to TRY and force people to deflect from the reality of what the actual circumstances are by hopefully changing the language.

The term "undocumented noncitizen" is a deflection from reality?

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Following Japan. We were “aliens” and had a card and fingerprint to prove it. Now we are residents and permanent residents.

I was and now I am also a permanent resident and I never resented that I was when I came, I could become a naturalized citizen, but I would never, ever do that.

An American niece works with the undocumented in California and never used the term illegal aliens. Dehumanising.

That’s her personal choice. So according to this administration, when you enter or trespass on private property, the cops or owners will say what? You’re an unwilling trespasser? This administration cannot change the legal definition of what an illegal alien is.

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-alien-one-many-correct-legal-terms-illegal-immigrant

Makes perfect sense. So if Biden wants to have consensus to legally change the definition, fine, but until then this administration can’t dictate to the American how they should address illegals entering unlawfully into the country.

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woke nonsense.

Undocumented non citizen? yeah ok.....

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When you enter any dwelling of another nation or public or private residence or property you are doing so “illegally” which is a criminal act.

Yes, the entering is the illegal criminal act, the person is a criminal. You literally just demonstrated my point.

The Biden administration is calling all illegals and labeling them as migrant workers

False.

Just because Biden and the Democrats say so, just like this administration trying to indoctrinate to people that we have multiple genders? There was zero legal consensus on changing the English and legal word and definition of what an illegal alien, this is just crazy.

This is irrelevant to the fact that Mexico labeling undocumented immigrants illegal aliens makes it the correct term.

Also, the administration is not trying to indoctrinate people regarding gender. You sure seem triggered today. Emotions running a bit high.

Well, you never see the liberal networks talk to people that secure the border and why is that. 

False:

https://youtu.be/eGuSdXiFtLk

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Hey, whatever distracts people from the growing crisis at the border and Biden filling in the gaps at the border wall.

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Yes, the entering is the illegal criminal act, the person is a criminal. You literally just demonstrated my point.

Actually, you just legitimize my point you are an “illegal alien” equals a person that is “unknown” and entering or trespassing onto a public or private space without legal permission. In Mexico they treat illegals in the same manner and refer to them as such. Now that is not a personal attack on The people themselves, but nonetheless they broke the law and this administration and what they are trying to do is to legitimize their illegal entry into the United States and making it seem that it is no big deal, it is lawful and they have a right to be here, which they do not. My grandparents went through the process to enter the United States legally and they did that in their home country before entering United States and we definitely want people like those, they make America so much richer and greater, but not in this fashion and California is an example of what happens when illegals by the masses especially with very little work skills coming to the United States by the thousands with nothing really to offer. Most countries want people to come they can help benefit the country and the more skills you have, the better it is for your new host country which can help and contribute to the growth and advancement of the nation, low skill quality people do not. Again, look at California. Even the president of Honduras was explaining to Tucker Carlson that he shares some of the blame for what is happening at the border and now he’s trying to do his best to change that and to have people come back and build up his country.

This is irrelevant

No, it’s relevant because it is changing the country and especially the West Coast not for the good, because where are they putting these people, why are they displacing American citizens to accommodate these people, that is an insult and instead of trying to work with the Republicans on a proper immigration form, by decides to just tell people to come in. They are all wearing Biden T-shirts of course Biden is responsible, he was the one that told them to come in they did and they’re not Sending these people back, now we are back to catch and release again.

Also, the administration is not trying to indoctrinate people regarding gender.

Yes, they are Especially when you’re telling young girls you have to candidate biological. anatomical boys that considers themselves women and are allowed to play in biological women’s sports. The majority of women in the United States don’t want this

You sure seem triggered today. Emotions running a bit high.

No, no need to, it’s just hilarious that this administration in their failure to secure the border and their unwillingness to take this issue seriously, where is Kamala Harris, it’s been 26 days now since she was appointed as the borders czar and she’s nowhere to be found, the last time we saw her, she was in a knitting store and hasn’t one time been by the border and she won’t, because she will not answer any questions or talk to any of the border patrol agents on camera, she knows she has no excuse for what’s happening and she can’t defend it and that’s why she’s not going down to the border.

False:

Nope, this is what’s going to happen if this continues...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/18/immigration-politics-democrats-469732

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You can not be a criminal in anything until you are tried and found guilty of a crime. Innocent until proved guilty. "Suspected" of entering the country illegally. "Suspected" of breaking immigration laws.

"Biden has not yet implemented expansive policy changes. The vast majority of migrants arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border are still being turned away. Deportations are still taking place and there’s still no pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants."

In Texas, a border state, there are estimated to be 1.5 million undocumented people working for cheap in Texan businesses.

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Actually, "illegal alien," and variations on the use of the word alien with wordage detailing unlawful or illegal activity , are statutory terms (e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1365). Occurs in the CFR as well. Changing the latter is a function of the executive branch, whereas changes to the former require enactment of Congress. For almost all other purposes, that which is being discussed are symantical changes which policy can change and adapt. (And I remember it occurs at least once in treaty). For the purposes of the law, however, the term won't go away until the legislative branch changes it and POTUS allows it to become law.

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Great news for white American colonialists who immigrated to North America and stole everything that belonged to Native American Indians by violence and intimidation.

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You can not be a criminal in anything until you are tried and found guilty of a crime.

So if I enter Japan illegally, that would be a criminal act? I would not be breaking the law? Either the United States entered Pakistan illegally when they went in to find and kill OBL. They knew they were entering a country illegally and they knew once he entered into the airspace that if the Pakistanis were alerted and they launched an attack against them, it was within their constitutional rights, because we were invading into an illegal country.

Innocent until proved guilty.

......and that’s the job of the California border patrol, which they usually determined that the people crossing into the country are doing so illegally in Worcester them to get a hearing and under normal law and under a republican administration and because of their illegal act they are convicted and usually sent back unless they murdered someone which then they are prosecuted and convicted or held in United States penitentiary system.

"Biden has not yet implemented expansive policy changes.

None, he just told everyone to come.

The vast majority of migrants arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border are still being turned away.

No, they are not.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/03/15/migrant-apprehensions-at-u-s-mexico-border-are-surging-again/

In Texas, a border state, there are estimated to be 1.5 million undocumented people working for cheap in Texan businesses.

also “I have only four deputies working for a 3,200-square-mile county and 110 miles of border,” said the Val Verde County sheriff, Joe Frank Martinez, whose department patrols the borderlands around Del Rio. “It’s just unsustainable.”

Officials from U.S. Customs and Border Protection have been informing elected officials and nonprofit leaders along much of the border that the agency is preparing for even larger releases of migrants, basing assessments on shelter capacity in larger cities and on rules that require the agency to release migrants near where they are arrested and processed.

The big difference is in Texas the controlling the borders tighter than they are in California and these are people that are already in the state, whereas in California they just continue to pour in.

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If you’re not being supported by the Federal government and your agents are removed or relocated from the border and have less resources to patrol the border and are forced to process every illegal as an asylum seeker no matter what the reason is, it takes more than 8 hours to process a family of 4 and so if border patrol agents are not allowed to police the border and they are now assigned to administration duties for illegals, then who is securing the border? No one! That’s the reason this is happening in Texas, but Abbot thankfully is now talking less to Washington and taking matters I to his own hands to stop the influx of illegals.

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...so I guess someone who breaks into my home is now just an "undocumented houseguest"?

But seriously, we all know that the changing of language and word meanings here has nothing at all to do with the dignity and self-respect of the people the CBP come in contact with. It has everything to do with legitimizing their presence in the country and softening the impact. It is a way to make the meaning cloudy and fuzzy, much as the word "migrant" is flung about.

The distinction between legal and illegal immigrant is crucial. It NEEDS to be front and center of any discussion. I don't know anyone at all who is against immigration- as long as it is controlled and safe and of benefit to the country. This is just another step towards demonizing anyone with an opinion that dissents from the progressive cant.

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I don't see what the big deal is? "Illegal alien" isn't very descriptive and it's needlessly emotive.

Problem solved.

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The numbers of border agents are the same as when Trump was president.

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The numbers of border agents are the same as when Trump was president.

But under Trump, there was no catch and release, drug dealers, cartel members were either arrested or sent back aggressively. He had a zero-tolerance, enforced the immigration laws by adding more agents, pushing Mexico to secure its borders to apprehend any border crossers and they did and it all worked.

Biden and the Dems are not doing any of this.

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But under Trump, there was no catch and release, drug dealers, cartel members were either arrested or sent back aggressively

You just posted there are not enough border agents?

"also “I have only four deputies working for a 3,200-square-mile county and 110 miles of border,” said the Val Verde County sheriff, Joe Frank Martinez, whose department patrols the borderlands around Del Rio. “It’s just unsustainable.”

Trump didn't do anything about "catch and release" until Sept 2019.

I thought Trump built a wall to stop people.

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The whites in US were migrants from Europe before, therefore, they might have been calling themselves illegal aliens all the past 250 years.

Did they know that?..

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Venze, actually the whites were conquerers, not migrants. Such is the way of the world. There were no established governments and laws in place as there are today.

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Trump didn't do anything about "catch and release" until Sept 2019.

CNN told you that?

I thought Trump built a wall to stop people.

He did, Biden didn’t finish it. Remember, all those people trying to get in are wearing Biden T-shirts, not to mention they didn’t dare try to come over as apprehensions were up and people sent back. But since Biden won’t do it, more gun sales up and people taking law into their own hands. Again, this helps the GOP in 2022.

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bass, why do you think murderous vigilante justice is good?

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...so I guess someone who breaks into my home is now just an "undocumented houseguest"?

No, they would be illegal houseguest by conservative logic.

Rational adults would call that person an intruder.

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"migrant" makes me think of birds and butterflies, not uninvited illegal aliens. There is a popular song about how tough it is being an illegal alien.

We can compromise - "illegal migrant" is descriptive.

In Mexico, I was called a "damn foreigner", which was valid. I didn't plan to move there and my visa was valid. That's the key difference with illegal migrants.

If they formally apply for asylum, then the term would be asylum seeker.

Invited migrants are welcome.

President Biden should set a generous annual cap for all migrants of all sorts, but once that number is reached, refuse and deport all others. Unlimited is unacceptable.

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why do you think murderous vigilante justice is good?

I absolutely do not, but if my own government won’t protect me and secure the border or stop the flow of illegals coming in as well as drug dealers, cartels and coyotes and I live along the border then I will do whatever I have to do to safeguard my land and protect my family.

No, they would be illegal houseguest by conservative logic. 

Nope! They are illegal law breakers, intruders in my country and in my house, uninvited.

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He did, Biden didn’t finish it.

So you expect Biden to have finished Trump's Wall in less than 100 days in office when Trump only achieved about 20 miles of new wall in 4 years of office? Trump promised a wall ocean-to-ocean. Fixed about 200 miles and added 20 miles.

if my own government won’t protect me and secure the border or stop the flow of illegals coming in as well as drug dealers, cartels and coyotes and I live along the border then I will do whatever I have to do to safeguard my land and protect my family.

I think you are located more than 11,000 km from the nearest southern border in Texas.

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So you expect Biden to have finished Trump's Wall in less than 100 days in office when Trump only achieved about 20 miles of new wall in 4 years of office? Trump promised a wall ocean-to-ocean. Fixed about 200 miles and added 20 miles.

I Didn’t expect anything from Biden or the Democrats and have an expected anything for over 30 years. But it’s OK, this ensures the house will be taken by the Republicans in two years, so bunch of keep it up it just helps them and Trump

I think you are located more than 11,000 km from the nearest southern border in Texas.

That is not the issue, the issue is the Democrats allowing for open borders and making sure that the border patrol cannot do their job which is to secure the borders.

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the house will be taken by the Republicans in two years, so bunch of keep it up it just helps them and Trump

All of your predictions since before the Nov 3 election fell flat on their face. Except for the Jan 6 riot and insurrection. You missed that one.

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