Sooner or later, Japan will have to start behaving like an independent nation. And focus on the interests of its own people.
Whether one agrees with it or not, China, Russia , and Eurasia will have an increasing influence on Japan’s future. The US influence is diminishing with each passing decade.
It’s time Japan emerges from its vassal state status, and starts charting a path of self interest towards its own future.
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By his own words "justify the Emergency for the respective demographic in question - the younger people."
Please refrain from adding your interpretation to what I have repeatedly made clear. We’ve seen enough of that.
It’s quite clear :
There is NO Emergency in the 0 to 20 yr demographic , regardless of preconditions. Covid-19 has not any significant impact on this demographic. Period. That’s what the data clearly states.
For most of the population, the measures that have been taken to date have been unjustified. Because an EUA medicine should not be deployed where there is no emergency.
The small minority at risk from Covid-19 should have theses vaccines made available to them ASAP. And it’s 100% their choice to receive them.
Those are my words. And I prefer not to have another party of limited capacity and understanding to interpret them otherwise.
-5 ( +2 / -7 )
Still waiting for you to justify taking out of parents the choice to vaccinate their kids when they have preexisting conditions that can make the infection lethal with high probability.
And according to the Japan figures: Just how lethal is it to those kids after almost 18 months? Does “zero” sound like high probability or does it sound like actual to you? Real data.
So as a parent, I am blindly expected to subject my kids to an experimental EUA drug that has already caused dangerous and unexpected side effects in some . As you have recently learned, that’s why these drugs are classified Investigational / Experimental.
-4 ( +3 / -7 )
No need for these dang shots to return to normal...
CDC posts 78% of COVID-19 patients hospitalized in the US are overweight or obese. 30% obese !
CDC posts that compared with 5- to 17-year-olds, the rate of death is 45 times higher in 30- to 39-year-olds, and 8,700 times higher in those who are 85-plus. Note: Japan has had zero deaths in the 5 to 17 yr old category.
CDC also states that as of March 30, 2020, 89.3%, hospitalized patients had one or more underlying conditions; the most common were hypertension (49.7%), obesity (48.3%), chronic lung disease (34.6%), diabetes mellitus (28.3%), and cardiovascular disease (27.8%). These findings suggest that older adults have elevated rates of COVID-19–associated hospitalization and the majority of persons hospitalized with COVID-19 have underlying medical conditions.
Stanford Medicine says COVID-19 hospitalizations among children likely over counted.
And on and on it goes. Even using their own data, these agencies cannot justify some of the completely misplaced emergency measures to date.
Waiting for the. 2+2=5 Science Guy to pontificate on a the absolute need to subject everyone to an EUA medicine where emergencies do not exist. All based on sound data that is never produced. The essays are entertaining nevertheless.
Japan by all means needs to refine and define the state of emergency. One reasonable suggestion is to target the elderly, overweight, and community already suffering from one or more high risk disease. And make an attempt to protect them first.
For the healthy majority and the young, there is no emergency. There is only rampant “covidiocy” from our governments as they blow away what’s left of their credibility.
-5 ( +2 / -7 )
It’s a lesson in life when you are bought and paid for.
Make your fortune, and then you call your own shots.
0 ( +1 / -1 )
I fail to see virusrex's point that this article disproves the idea that "regulating bodies in medicine are deeply in the pocket of pharmaceutical companies".
Exactly. It’s a recurring cognitive issue coupled with claims of better data that can never be revealed.
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A silver lining is that this controversy helps dispelling the multiple conspiracy theories that say all regulating bodies in medicine are deeply in the pocket of pharmaceutical companies, so these kind of discussions and resignations are supposedly impossible to see, because everybody is paid to hide all negative information. This at least helps proving what actually happens when approval is based on faint evidence. (and this doesn't even have safety problems, only insufficient proof of efficacy).
What part of the Conspiracy Theory is Theory.
-4 ( +1 / -5 )
The only benefit is to the company charging a ridiculous $56,000 per year for nothing.
That must have slipped your mind.
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The “Magnificent Seven” have made a lifestyle choice and will soon be sharing needles. I expect great things to happen.
-5 ( +3 / -8 )
Dumb and Dumberer: When Harry Met Lloyd
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Japanese Clinical trials begin on members of LDP
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Why would I do that if my whole point is that the Japanese data is extremely lacking? specially with much better data sets being available that would give a much better basis to make judgments.
Present the better data please, and justify the Emergency for the respective demographic in question - the younger people.
That seems pose a consistent challenge.
i can’t wait for the justification to bring these EUA products down to 6 month old kids..
As proudly proclaimed on the Pfizer website. With no relevant supporting data.
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This do not make the people being experimented on, else people would be experimental subjects to every drug available in the market, somewhere someone is "gattering data on now" for everything, from penicillin to aspirin. The vaccines are being used for their therapeutic value, so people are not being subjects of experimentation.
Written with such conviction. By someone who denied these medicines as being under experimental / investigational classification up until a few days ago.
And of course I select data on a demographic that shows negligible adverse effects to Covid-19 . Because my argument was never anti-vaccine. It was always the risk / benefit discussion of an experimental EUA drug deployment where a real Emergency actually exists.
Why is the actual mortality rate numbers per age group (real published data) the worst data set? Why don’t you present your “much better” data? I am very receptive to it.
And I don’t believe it should be Big Pharma that promotes EUA via its influence within our public regulatory agencies. Their funding should be eliminated or heavily restricted.
Unfortunately for some, these distinctions are irrelevant or ignored.
So be it.
-4 ( +6 / -10 )
And your absolute lack of knowledge and understanding of a vaccine just came through in the above.
I most sincerely apologize for my ignorance.
You brought your friends experience with experimental cancer treatment. I assumed it was to illustrate a related point to this discussion.
Obviously I was mistaken. I hope these Covid shots cure cancer as well.
-5 ( +4 / -9 )
I didn't have malaria or symptoms it is called a Preventative measure as are Vaccines.
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You mean like when you proved where I said the vaccine would never enter the blood stream? because that has not been done either. Is it recognizing that was false so difficult?
I didn’t prove anything.
Medical researchers have studied this in “humanized” laboratory animals. It’s the humans they are gathering the data on now. Thanks largely to this experimental vaccine deployment.
i only stated that this all merits increased caution. You obviously disagree. That’s fine.
We will all wait and see. And I will make my own decisions. One thing for sure, they will not be influenced so easily questionable commentary.
-4 ( +6 / -10 )
If they had even the slightest idea how many drugs worldwide are give emergency use status each year they would have a stroke.
The drug used in my friend with stage 4 colon cancer that save his life was emergency use for over 7 years and today is a standard treatment.
Interesting statement. And I don’t disagree.
However, do you think this same treatment should be administered to your friends that show no indications of cancer or illness? As a preventative measure?
And as a standard treatment applied to who and when?
There are often slight ideas. And there are bad ones as well.
The “anti-Vax” moniker applied to people in discussion is the classic indication of ones conversational limitations.
As a constant traveler, I’ve probably had more vaccines pumped into me than most have had hot meals. And to my benefit I would think they have been very positive.
But that’s not what this is about.
-2 ( +7 / -9 )
My main point keeps being valid, people are not being experimented on with the vaccines since they are being used because of their therapeutic value.
OK - let’s just say people are being offered an experimental treatment under an EAU declaration.
Maybe that’s a more therapeutic way of phrasing it.
I have provided data that was immediately debunked on other posts where we have been engaged. You know it. It was all at the expense of your chosen narrative.
But keep in mind one important fact: I am erring towards caution and the risk / benefit assessment. It is you that needs to show me the data that reduces the risk. It seems Pfizer themselves are saying it does not exists in many cases at this point. Did you notice that?
And Pfizer is also saying that because they are not certain of the side effects of their experimental product deployed on the general population, that side effects need to be reported in VAERS. Have you even bothered to look at that as well?
But as you state in your main point. This really is not experimentation. Did you ever look up the definition of the word?
-2 ( +7 / -9 )
Let’s help some folks out:
“Immunocompromised persons, including individuals receiving immunosuppressant therapy, may have a diminished immune response to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may not protect all vaccine recipients
In clinical studies, adverse reactions in participants 16 years of age and older included pain at the injection site (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%), headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%), injection site swelling (10.5%), injection site redness (9.5%), nausea (1.1%), malaise (0.5%), and lymphadenopathy (0.3%)“
“Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, have been reported following the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine during mass vaccination outside of clinical trials. Additional adverse reactions, some of which may be serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
Available data on Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy
Data are not available to assess the effects of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine on the breastfed infant or on milk production/excretion
There are no data available on the interchangeability of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine with other COVID-19 vaccines to complete the vaccination series. Individuals who have received one dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine should receive a second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to complete the vaccination series
Vaccination providers must report Adverse Events in accordance with the Fact Sheet to VAERS at https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html or by calling 1-800-822-7967. The reports should include the words “Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine EUA” in the description section of the report”
So before data gets thrown back at us indicating that the above is simply fear mongering and anti-Vax rhetoric, they are not my words.
They are all Pfizer’s disclaimers:
i suppose to the disappointment of some, Pfizer even states that adverse reactions need to be reported to VAERS. I wonder why some discredits VAERS so much, when Pfizer endorses its use?
Those are the risks. And I don’t personally see where younger people that have experienced very little adverse affects need to be subjected to such risks.
At least according to the data I have seen.
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“There is no group where the risk from vaccination even compare with the much higher risks from COVID.”
Case in point.
A group was just presented with the accompanying data. And once again ignored .
The above quote is a complete misrepresentation.
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Virusrex over simplifys with made up numbers.
If you are a healthy person under the age of 70 with no comorbilities there is absolutely no reason to take the mRNA experimental shot as there has already been deaths and permanent life threatening side effects.
Not just oversimplifies. Ignores, misrepresents, and misunderstands as well.
Not until a few days ago, was it even acknowledged that these drugs were experimental after months of claiming the opposite. And that is disturbing.
Nevertheless, the unabated promotion of unquestioned vaccination for all demographic groups continues without critical thought.
All medications are a risk / benefit personal assessment. The misinformation around this pandemic is widespread. And so is the pertinent information that helps you evaluate risk.
Be very wary of people that confuse industry sponsored data vs independent data and layered with speculation and assumptions. Followed by attempts to “educate “ others that present valid counter arguments and concerns.
I am NOT anti-Vax. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. And fortunately, I am not blind.
I am an executive at a large US based multinational corporation that does business in Japan. I know BS when I see it.
-5 ( +10 / -15 )
So , let’s look the mortality numbers in Japan for 12 to 18 yrs in the last 18 months, since the Covid debacle started. They record a figure of zero. Give or take another zero.
Are we to assume that only a few hundred thousand youngsters were exposed and/or infected ? Maybe a few million is more likely. The mortality still remains zero.
Even the pharmaceutical giants would never dare claim that their product would not result in possible deaths or serious injury in recipient numbers that high, as a result of unforeseen long term side effects. Leave alone with an EAU experimental drug and new type of mRNA treatment in the market.
There is NO emergency that warrants inoculating young people. It’s a fabrication of big Pharma and their cult of Branch Covidians .
If an adult is so concerned and frightened by youngsters spreading a respiratory illness that is deemed dangerous to them, then they should get their shots. And after this self induced emergency has subsided and a few years have passed, these new class of medicines will be better understood. And have successfully completed more thorough long term trials.
And if we’re really lucky, they will fabricate and an even more successful virus to treat in the meantime.
-10 ( +9 / -19 )
Here are the numbers of Japan deaths to date by the Age groups.
And the data Excel Download:
It's up to you to weigh the risks, and decide what kind of "Emergency" this Covid is to you personally that requires your need to accept an experimental vaccine authorized as EAU.
Note: An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.
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Every country with the brainpower and money to do so needs to create and maintain an infrastructure to analyze new contagions, to develop, test, and approve treatments and vaccines, and then be prepared to mass produce and distribute the necessary medicines.
i’m from the Cold War era. It’s these same countries that allocated significant resources to some very imaginative pathogen research.
This present day generation will soon discover just how robust that activity remains.
Meet the new century. Same as the old one.
-1 ( +1 / -2 )
But now I am extremely curious as to what they would have done had you said "Yes" you wanted to be vaccinated!
I’m out of “Process”.
They would have to print up a card for me on the spot. And reserve me.
They probably have backup “invites” for the non-invited .
And then my other one would come in the mail whenever.
-2 ( +1 / -3 )
I believe Suda-san will end up being correct.
I just visited Aichi Prefecture mass vaccination site at the Nagoya airfield just north of the city center. In a twist of irony, it is located in the refurbished office space of the terminal building where the last government backed boondoggle was head-quartered: The Mitsubishi SpaceJet offices. Where 2500 Japanese and foreign workers burned up a few $Billion over the last decade. How appropriate.
Before I went I into the building, I noticed that the Prefecture government had cordoned off a large chunk of the now empty MRJ Final Assy Line parking lot. This was to accommodate the anticipitated large volume of incoming vaccine recipients. The parting lot was about 20% full around lunchtime. And I soon realized that many of the vehicles were probably owned by the volunteers. You know, the usual Japan-style direction guides with the Arrow-signs and batons that resemble a grade-school version of a North Korean political rally. Every large Japanese parking has them.
Inside the inoculation center, the picture was very similar to the one in this article. Pretty well dead.
I was asked if I had an appointment card. I said No
I was asked if I wanted a vaccine shot. I said No
I was asked if I was feeling sick. I said No.
I was asked if I wanted to speak to a medical staff member. I said O.K.
So, after 30 seconds or so a nurse came out and asked me why I popped by, and why I needed to see her. I told here that I was just curious and wanting some information. And I wanted to know what to do if I decided to get a vaccine shot. She explained some byzantine Aichi mail ticket and reservation process which I basically ignored.
I explained that I had previously failed a PCR test and had to spend 2 weeks at the Tokyo Hilton near Haneda during one of my business junkets earlier this year. I was never sick (or at least didn't know it), and basically came out of the ordeal 10 lbs heavier as a result of those Hilton breakfast meals, which I love. As a result of this Covid crisis, I ended up temporarily back on cholesterol medication.
She told me that I was likely low risk from Covid anyway. I agreed. Paid by the hour.
I am not sure how well this Aichi Prefecture vaccination center has done to date, but it sure was quiet today.
The only real risk to one's health was getting hit by a tumbleweed.
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If it doesn't work nothing loss and the naysayers can say "see we were right" but at least give people the chance and choice.
Always ask yourself: Would it work better for you ?
Then it most cases, that would apply to others.
The choice to decide is the key. Coupled with the flexibility to accommodate and expedite the choice.
Let people manage themselves. If a government that barely has the capacity to manage itself attempts it, you’ll have exact where Japan is at today.
Quebec’s successful deployment is perfect example. I would think that the people that chose to take their shots are happy with the services rendered.
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The LDP will always have an uphill battle. They are addled by incompetence, and at the same time they must overcome a “government trust” issue with these experimental vaccines.
This Covid-19 debacle has the added complication of having trusted government agencies reveal things that don’t help in garnering confidence with their vaccine drives and recommendation..
Especially with the high public health officials that reveal themselves as being uncomfortably close to the source of our problems.
We should never automatically concluded anything about where tax dollars are spent with respect to “vaccine research”. We should trust the decisions of our appointed officials, hear them out, and give them the benefit of the doubt. As trusted and competent public servants.
Yes, hear them out (even if was 4 or 5 yrs ago), and follow their recommendations accordingly.
2 ( +4 / -2 )
They claimed it would be very difficult to reach 70% as required but that has been surpassed and people wanted the vaccine faster than the governments could get it to them.
As we have seen here in Japan the appointments for the new Vaccine centres were fully booked within the first hours and this hasn't changed.
What I can’t understand about Japan is not the debate about whether an individual decides to take the vaccine or not. That’s their choice.
What is bizarre is the fact the government purchased and stockpiled so many millions of these vaccine doses, and then can’t figure out how to administer them. Isn’t that basic management 101? Or lack of.
What’s with the added bureaucracy of “appointments”? Japanese people have health cards. Open up the centers and let people come in as they choose. They get their stamp and can leave.
6 ( +8 / -2 )
I would prefer not to have to resort to cliché, but one has to wonder about certain of the regular participants on this board: if you hate everything about Japan and are determined to complain no matter what, why are you still here?
Japan does not have the leadership it deserves. There is a huge distinction between rating a nation vs a “past its sell by date” institution like the LDP, and government leadership in general.
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