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Posted in: The governments of many countries, including Japan, have said they will not make a coronavirus vaccine mandatory, but legal experts believe companies could order staff to get a vaccine, unless they have a health exemption. What's your stance on this? See in context

You do seem to have libertarian sympathies, so shouldn’t companies have the right to decide who they want to get rid of? Would you approve of the heavy hand of the law or the government intervening in the decisions of private business if it reaches the stage of companies mandating vaccinations?

That's a good question, Jimizo. From first principles, since a corporation is not a natural person and only a legal construct, a natural person trumps a corporation when it comes to situations like this because forcing someone to take a medication etc against their will would violate the non-aggression principle. Based on that, if the government does intervene, it should on the side of the individual and not the corporation when it comes to mandatory vaccination by a corporation.

And with every rule comes exceptions, namely when people are involved directly in healthcare as I mentioned above. But people enter fields like healthcare knowing what they're signing up for, so it's informed consent.

But forcing someone, say, working in a shop or an office to take the vaccine on threat of losing their job is wrong, I think. If coworkers are concerned about catching the virus, they're welcome to get the jab and should be fine, if the vaccines are as safe and effective as we're told. If worker A is unable to get vaccinated for some health reason and worker B refuses to get the jab, A doesn't have the right to infringe on B's bodily integrity and force B to get it on pain of B losing their job. In such a case, they might be able to work out some kind of compromise; otherwise, A would have to look for other employment.

You could make a similar argument for the travel industry.

Otherwise, allowing non-healthcare companies to mandate vaccination sets a precedent too dangerous to allow.

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Posted in: As Diet opens, Suga pledges to get pandemic under control, hold Olympics See in context

Thomas GoodtimeToday  05:39 pm JST

Move the Olympics to 2024? No way does Japan deserve that luxury. Why should France miss out because of Japan's ineptitude and rampant self importance.

Dunno, Macron has covered himself in a layer of pungent...cheese during his handling of the pandemic. The French could do with an extra four years to sort themselves out. Macron hasn't;t been any more effective than Suga, just looking more suave while he fails.

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Posted in: Tokyo reports 1,204 new coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 4,925 See in context

ZorotoToday  05:17 pm JST

This is why you need to look at the graphs.

Thanks for your advice, but I will stick with the graphs.

Looks like you confirmed my point. Or you meant to say numbers instead of graphs. If it's just the numbers, you're missing the bigger picture.

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Posted in: Australia unlikely to fully reopen borders in 2021 See in context

Okay, but you didn’t ask who the government is accountable to.

Shouldn't that be obvious?

I wouldn't have any problem with the tennis players and officials entering if actual residents were allowed home. If they were, everyone wins.

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Posted in: 'No special treatment' - Australia rebuffs tennis stars' quarantine complaints See in context

StarbucksToday  06:12 pm JST

@ kryonstavic 

I wouldn't say NSW has done any better a job what with the Ruby Princess and the current situation with an American air crew not being subject to the same restrictions as everyone else.

The relatives of 800-odd people who died in Victoria might disagree with you.

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Posted in: 'No special treatment' - Australia rebuffs tennis stars' quarantine complaints See in context

Big Yen, if that were the case, why was it that Victoria had 800-odd out of the 900-odd deaths, whereas the death toll in the other states has been tiny? Your defence of Andrews doesn't support the facts. The other states did not lock down even close to the extent Victoria did, and again, had far better results. Andrews has continuously lied and obfuscated about the quarantine debacle that's resulted in senior Victorian public servants resigning, plus the health minister herself, claiming that Andrews basically threw her under the bus to save his own skin. You can't lay the blame with the Federal Government when it's only Victoria that's had such poor results.

I wouldn't have a problem with the tennis players and officials coming in if he allowed Victorians to come home.The double standards are disgraceful, but to be expected from Andrews.

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Posted in: Tokyo reports 1,204 new coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 4,925 See in context

ZorotoToday  04:47 pm JST

Tokyo reports 1,204 new coronavirus cases

It's the 2nd highest Monday count.

This week 1204 out of 8,206 tests

Last week 1211 out of 9,628 tests

So I would not proclaim that the cases are decreasing yet.

This is why you need to look at the graphs. You can see trends on the days between and beforehand, and follow the 7-day moving average to get a clearer picture of what's going on. Just taking those numbers in isolation could mean you completely miss a sharp dip or spike during the intervening days.

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Posted in: Australia unlikely to fully reopen borders in 2021 See in context

P. SmithToday  04:42 pm JST

COVID-19 is a special disease, and extra-super-dangerous when it suits the interests of some to be so. Just when you think it's going away, back it comes!

Do you have any further theories about this conspiracy?

Can you give any logical reason why Australia should be letting in all these tennis players and officials from COVID hotspots like the US and Europe while preventing Australians who are stuck interstate, where there are hardly any active cases, at their own expense are not allowed to go home? There's; no consistency here. If this virus is so dangerous, why have the borders been opened for the tennis participants? Someone's doing alright out of this, but it's not Victorians needing to get home but prevented from doing so by their own government.

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Posted in: Australia unlikely to fully reopen borders in 2021 See in context

AttilathehungryToday  04:13 pm JST

I thought the point of vaccination was to a/ prevent getting the disease, and b/ prevent spreading the disease. Is this not the case? I have never heard of people who have been vaccinated still being contageous. Nor people who have already had and survived a disease.

COVID-19 is a special disease, and extra-super-dangerous when it suits the interests of some to be so. Just when you think it's going away, back it comes!

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Posted in: Tokyo reports 1,204 new coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 4,925 See in context

Maybe, just maybe fewer tests are being done because fewer people are presenting with symptoms...

See https://toyokeizai.net/sp/visual/tko/covid19/en.html for more context behind the numbers, for the whole country and not just Tokyo.

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Posted in: Drinkable cheesecake See in context

One of the best things about solid cheesecake is the texture. Drinking it just doesn't do cheesecake enough justice.

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Posted in: 'No special treatment' - Australia rebuffs tennis stars' quarantine complaints See in context

Tokyo-EngrToday  12:47 pm JST

Wow

Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews smashed back that request, saying authorities would not bend strict health rules any further for the players.

"There's no special treatment here. Because the virus doesn't treat you specially, so neither do we," he said.

I absolutely cannot come up with a comment or response better than that. Whether one is for or against lockdowns I have to commend Premier Andrews for showing the leadership and courage to make such an unwavering and unapologetic (and correct) statement.

Nothing is vague about what he said.

Andrews' leadership is highly suspect. As premier of Victoria he spent a sizeable chunk of last year passing off the blame to others for the quarantine debacle, and has now allowed athletes and officials in from case hotspots overseas while preventing Victorians from getting back to their own homes from interstate. He's directly contracted himself in that quote by giving special treatment to the tennis people.

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Posted in: Do you think climate change could lead to a greater crisis for humanity than COVID-19 or any other pandemic that might occur in the future? See in context

Toasted HereticToday  11:35 am JST

The market, eh

And here was me thinking that conservatives wanted to conserve things, like, you know, the planet. Life, the future.

Turns out they're just in it for the money. Who'd a thunk it?

Yep, the market. A far more effective and efficient way to get resources where they should go. Far better than the clunky mechanism of central government planning. Sure, it's not perfect, but no system is. There's room for regulation, but there's also a balance needed.

Most conservatives do want to protect the environment but at the same time maintain a good standard of living without central governments dictating how to behave and strangling them out of existence. You are aware of the enormous amounts of environmental damage that socialist governments have done, right? Just look at the USSR, Eastern Europe during the Cold War, and China under the CCP.

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Posted in: The governments of many countries, including Japan, have said they will not make a coronavirus vaccine mandatory, but legal experts believe companies could order staff to get a vaccine, unless they have a health exemption. What's your stance on this? See in context

Also, anybody might not be part of the "vast majority", and the vaccine will reduce the risks of developing serious complications and even death. The vast majority of people on their 40s do not have cardiac or pulmonary problems but employers still demand a full periodical health check including chest X-rays (that do include a risk) to reduce the chances of having an unrecognized treatable problem.

False equivalency, but that's par for the course.

These tests are just a check, and don't involve putting anything into the body more invasive than a barium drink. And the risk from chest x-rays is miniscule. But forcing someone to take a vaccine for a virus that is not going to affect the vast majority is a step too far. I'm fine with people getting vaccinated voluntarily with informed consent, but not under compulsion.

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Posted in: Do you think climate change could lead to a greater crisis for humanity than COVID-19 or any other pandemic that might occur in the future? See in context

Your're aware that green politics are part of right wing parties, too?

There are plenty of conservatives who espouse green ideologies.

There's a difference between how conservatives deal with the issue - letting the market develop more efficient energy sources and recyclable materials, and they are generally not the catastrophist type. The subsidy hunters aren't true conservatives as they rely on government to throw money at them without the need to turn a profit, and are quite happy for the catastrophist message to continue as it justifies, to themselves at least, the ongoing subsidy gravy train.

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Posted in: Britain invites G-7 leaders to Cornish resort for June summit See in context

"Coronavirus is doubtless the most destructive force we have seen for generations and the greatest test of the modern world order we have experienced," he said in a statement. "It is only right that we approach the challenge of building back better by uniting with a spirit of openness to create a better future."

Correction, Boris: "Excessive government responses to coronavirus are doubtless the most destructive forces we have seen for generations and the greatest test of the modern world order we have experienced," he said.

He even had the gall to kick sand in the face of his country by dropping in that little catchphrase from the WEF's Great Reset: Build Back Better. Just so ya know who's in charge. It's not Boris.

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Posted in: Watch out for terrorists See in context

KaryuudoToday  10:02 am JST

What does a terrorist look like?

If this poster is anything to go by, we ought to be suspicious of kabuki actors.

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Posted in: The governments of many countries, including Japan, have said they will not make a coronavirus vaccine mandatory, but legal experts believe companies could order staff to get a vaccine, unless they have a health exemption. What's your stance on this? See in context

Healthcare providers already mandate vaccination against a range of diseases, so for this one that would be reasonable given the risks of the work.

But for other companies and the public service, mandating a COVID-19 vaccine in order to work there should be legally prohibited. Partly for the reasons Tokyo-Engr said, but also for civil liberties reasons. There's nothing stopping people from getting vaccinated if they want, and that's fine with me. And if the vaccines are as safe and effective as the makers and proponents claim, then vaccinated people will be protected from anything more than mld symptoms and won't transmit the virus...right?

Given that the vast majority of people exposed to this virus will show only mild symptoms at worst, and most will show nothing at all, what are the practical and moral justifications for enforcing vaccination on everyone in the workplace unless they have a medical exemption?

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Posted in: Do you think climate change could lead to a greater crisis for humanity than COVID-19 or any other pandemic that might occur in the future? See in context

I voted "don't know." Given that all the catastrophic predictions by climate doomsayers fail to materialise - you know, "12 years to save the world" - it's hard to take their chicken little proclamations that seriously. Human ingenuity will see us through. That said, given how effective the fearmongering over COVID-19 has been at paralysing the world and that we've already seen some articles pop up on JT and elsewhere spouting how the economic downturn has reduced CO2 emissions (duh!), I wouldn't put it past the green-left movement to ramp up the crisis talk about forthcoming doom. All from the comfort of their climate conferences at 5 star resorts at someone else's expense.

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Posted in: Apple invests millions to back entrepreneurs of color, part of racial justice effort See in context

"We wanted to see more Black and brown developers," Jackson said,

Why does "Black" get a capital letter while "brown" doesn't? This conundrum should tie the identitarians in knots for a while.

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Posted in: Tokyo reports 1,809 new coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 7,014 See in context

Slowing down?

Watch this space over the next week...

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Posted in: 2 COVID-19 cases reported on Australian Open flight See in context

Monty, you're right.

So people from overseas who are good at hitting a ball get priority over Australians trying to return home after months stuck abroad because they can't get a flight home...?

Further proof of one rule for them, another for us. Get used to it folks, because things aren't going to change unless we show a bit of civil disobedience to edicts delivered from on high.

Pardon the pun, but we're being played for fools.

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Posted in: N Korea holds huge military parade as Kim vows nuclear might See in context

Where can I find the same hair tonic? That's quite a 'fro in the photo.

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Posted in: U.S. capital locks down as security threats mount See in context

Well done, Democrats. You're turning the capital city into a police state.

Remember folks, that before the election, businesses in Washington were boarding up their shopfronts incase the Democrats lost and riots ensued. Based on the previous 7 months of far-left violence, riots, occupations, deaths and arson.

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Posted in: WHO team arrives in Wuhan to search for pandemic origins See in context

Virusrex, based on your posts, it's becoming increasingly clear that your representing some interest group, which is why Zichi (I think, post was conveniently deleted) asked the question. He's not the first one to have asked, but posts always get deleted when someone does. You'll deny it of course, but that won't allay anyone's suspicions.

You're simply engaging in sophistry when it's clear as day that China is hiding something. The whole world can see their behaviour is highly suspicious, yet you're apologising for them. Why? We don't know if the Wuhan biotech facility is the source of the virus, but China's behaviour doesn't rule out the possibility.

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Posted in: AI chatbot introduced to tackle alarming rise in coronavirus-related suicides See in context

Tokyo-mToday  09:57 am JST

more people than ever have succumbed to the temptation to take their own lives

Let me fix that for you: "more people than ever have been driven [by a government that doesn't care at all about ordinary people] to take their own lives"

If you're waiting for or expecting the government to help, you're wasting your time. Charities like Life Line do a far better job.

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Posted in: WHO team arrives in Wuhan to search for pandemic origins See in context

Virusex, simply calling something you don't like a conspiracy theory demonstrates that you don't understand, or more likely, want to divert attention away from perfectly pertinent issues, disguising your dismissals with technobabble designed to impress the more credulous, but transparent nonetheless.

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Posted in: Japan's 2nd state of emergency met with public indifference See in context

Fear fatigue. After a year of bombardment from the idiotic media, people are fed up and just want to get on with their lives, knowing that only a tiny percentage will develop symptoms and an even tinier percentage will sadly pass away.

I think the government actually understands this, and is torn between the need for people get on with their lives while at the same time "be seen to be doing something" and the need to care for people who are actually ill from the virus or with it, plus handle all the other illnesses that haven't taken a holiday.

For the pro-lockdowners, here's something to ponder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=978zLJJLo-I

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Posted in: WHO team arrives in Wuhan to search for pandemic origins See in context

ScepticalJan. 14  11:27 pm JST

@kyronstavicToday  07:06 pm JST

The ball's in China's court with this one. The backbenchers you're complaining about have the high moral ground here, because the coal embargo is China's way of punishing Australia for having the temerity to demand an inquiry into the origins of the pandemic. But rather than be open, in typical fashion the CCP went into turbo toddler mode, eventually triggering this "humanitarian crisis" or whatever Labor and the Guardian call it. The onus is not on Australia to back down.

Sorry mate, I unintentionally omitted your name in my last post.

No dramas, all good.

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Posted in: WHO team arrives in Wuhan to search for pandemic origins See in context

Virusrex, this investigation, for what it's worth, isn't happening in a vacuum, so your apparent faith in the scientific process is misplaced at best, terribly naive in the middle, or disgraceful apologism for China at worst. I'd like to think it's option 1. Why do you think China has been stalling for the last year? If they had nothing to hide, why the obfuscation and bullying? You'd have to be terribly naive to think they didn't have their ducks in a row before finally allowing inspectors in as a face-saving measure. If the CCP had continued to resist, that would make them look even more guilty, so they pretend to relent, put on a show (the Potemkin Village I referred to earlier), and hope to stall any real investigation. And if the WHO's China cheerleader Bruce Aylward has anything to do with the investigation, chances are high the results will be "nothing to see here!"

By the way, this article came out overnight, which doesn't instil confidence in China's approach:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-who-wuhan-covid.html

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